Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahador Kharazmi


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete.  Swarm   X 05:10, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Bahador Kharazmi

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borderline artist. Article was nominated for speedy, and was stopped by intervention of army of sockpuppets (see sock investigation Sockpuppet_investigations/Bahador_kharazmi Creator is now blocked for sockpuppetry, and has been previously blocked for COI conflict editing.

Article claims charting, but this is unsourced.

All sources in Persian, I sent a request to wikiproject Iran for a source review, which is available on the article talk page. Copied here for convenience :

"Among all of the mentioned sources, I think just and  are reliable. There is no doubt that, , and  are blogs. Other sources don't seem to be independent, as they are from Avang Music or Radio Javan that Bahador Kharazmi is an employee for them. Americophile 23:13, 28 February 2012 (UTC)"

Of the sources deemed reliable, both are BBC. A single site reviewing the guy in 2006 does not meet multiple reliable sources in my book.

Let the consensus decide. FIGHT!

Gaijin42 (talk) 15:05, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Please search the name in english not in persian but even if the search has been made in persian, the links are from http://bbc.co.uk, http://iransong.com, http://irtaraneh.com, http://beshkan.co.uk, http://aftabir.com, http://100ahang.com which in my persian books they are all considered as reliable sources of persian music and entertainment websites. Please define some noticeable and useful persian websites you may know so that we may be able to take it from there. Isaaccohen (talk) 10:29, 1 March 2012 (UTC) Please find further description on the talk page. Thanks for your kind consideration.Isaaccohen (talk) 10:33, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, I searched his name in Persian but Google returned no useful results. He is far from being notable! Americophile 22:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:58, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Basically you may not find so many Persian websites written in Persian font, so as suggested please be kind to make your search in English. Having the name in the list of the biggest Persian label in America is proof enough the artist is notable and as discussed the links are reliable (the B.B.C links). For calling the guy not notable you may compare this to an artist appearing on EMI or Sony/BMG wiki page and call them not notable. Because the name of featured music labels is considered as their brand and they may barely abuse their brand by signing some not notable artists. So as offered please take a harder look at the provided references and consider the domain names of all the offered references. Their domain name is also known as their brand in the virtual space and they won’t expose something far from notable under the name of their brands.

About the part mentioned about charting, the website in charge of exposing the Persian charts is now out of business and if you review the other Persian artist wiki page you may see some of them have linked to that website as well but you will find the page does not work, please go to avang music and click on the names of the artists that have wiki page and you will find the link to http://www.eworldrecords.com on their reference category, which used to be the website in chart of Persian charts and now it’s gone.

The main idea of wiki pages are to be edited by different persons to get it close to the neutral point of view, for something that the source is not in hand anymore is a bit fast decision to command on deleting the page. You may not question the results returning on google and only concentrate on one un-sourced sentence and if you have the will to correct the context rather than speedy deleting it you can help make the article more neutral by removing the un-sourced materials. also the page on http://www.last.fm/music/Bahador+Kharazmi is a page made by various people and shares some common policies with wikipedia and also last.fm does not allow not notable artists on their page either.DopeBeat 11:09, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Delete. per WP:Notability and WP:RS.--Aliwiki (talk) 19:03, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Do Not Delete. As someone involved in Iranian music community from Iran, I know the artist and the article about his music career is true and some of the links are reliable to prove his notability. My opinion he well deserves to be here and I think the criticism about his notability is unfair.Sharamkashi (talk) 12:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC) — Sharamkashi (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

As I was reviewing the history of deleted pages I saw wikipidians have deleted the created page of [Kamran & Hooman] for very similar reasons not being notable or reliable links! These two singers are considered as the a-list singers of Persian music industry inside and outside of Iran. Only because of the fact we don’t have billboard.com in our virtual community does not mean they are not notable, people who have deleted their page for 3 times are far from being educated about Persian entertainment and music industry and similar decisions for deleting the pages of Persian music singers by relying on some people out of the Persian community will deeply question the fact about Wikipedia being a fan of neutral point of view. Please stop deleting the pages of Persian artists.Sharamkashi (talk) 15:14, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * This is not the correct venue to protest deletion of a different article. Having a notable charting organization is just a shortcut method of proving inherent notability of a music subject. If that shortcut is not available in the case of persian musicians, the WP:GNG or other criteria in WP:NMUSIC still apply. Information must be WP:VERIFIABLE. If it is not, then it does not belong on wikipedia. If persian musicians are not meeting these neutral criteria, then they do not belong on this wiki. You may certainly propose a change in these policies (not here, in the appropriate venue), but I think you are unlikely to get much traction in that regard, as any exception that would allow musicians without coverage to have pages would open the floodgates to every high school garage band (let alone other non musical articles)Gaijin42 (talk) 15:21, 6 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I do get your point about some garage bands wanting to appear on Wikipedia and I don’t find any resemblance between those bands and this artist nor Kamran & Hooman and… but speaking with reasons and logic there are only 4 Persian major labels outside of Iran and they are all based in LA, California. The title of these labels are Avang Music, Caltex Records, Taraneh Records and Pars Video.The potential audience of Persian music market outside of Iran is an estimate of 6 to 7 million Persian people around the world out of 73 million Persian people living inside of Iran who may barely be counted as potential audience to take part in the financial part of the business because of the limitations inside of Iran. It is not so hard to see that in the risky market of even international music none of these 4 major labels are ready to take the risk of printing & publishing not notable artists in their local criteria. There are not so many artists listed under their pages (and even some of them are common among 4 labels), so you can be sure they are notable enough to be signed by any of these 4 major labels.I used to create pages for Persian artists, actors/actresses and singers 4 or 5 years ago. But only for the misjudgments of wikipidians I left Wikipedia and I just got back only for this artist on a call. Don’t even recall my old user id anymore but please judge by the references and situation of different countries, you can see most of the Persian artists have pointed out the Islamic revolution and how it has affected their career negatively, otherwise we could all offer more sources for our sayings in a land which welcome their own artists and do not ban them from acting and breathing freedom of art.Sharamkashi (talk) 21:20, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete as failing GNG and NMUSIC. It's entirely possible this subject is a popular and notable figure, but I can't find sources to back such an assertion and the ones presented don't pass the bar of multiple independent sources directly detailing the subject. Likely autobiography, and socking in and prior to this process seem to point toward someone using the English Wikipedia as a promotional platform. That not being our purpose, delete. BusterD (talk) 14:09, 12 March 2012 (UTC)


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