Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahia Bakari (2nd nomination)


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The result was  keep. No arguments to delete besides nominator. Non-admin closure.  Jujutacular  T · C 18:10, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Bahia Bakari
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classic WP:BLP1E. a non-notable person who became temporarily news-worthy (WP:NOTNEWS) for being the sole survivor of an airline crash. Atmoz (talk) 17:55, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep She is the only known sole survivor ever of an airliner ocean crash, which makes her permanently notable, as discussed in the previous AfD. A French government minister said of her, "In the midst of the mourning, there is Bahia. It is a miracle, it is an absolutely extraordinary battle for survival ... It's an enormous message that she sends to the world ... almost nothing is impossible." I am not aware of any crash survivor ever who was so hailed. WP:BLP1E specifically allows articles for people expected to remain notable for a long time, likely for their lifetime, and there is no reason to believe this subject will ever be ignored by journalists, who refer to record holders whenever new disasters occur. For comparison to John Hinckley, the canonical BLP1E exclusion, he has 77,900 Ghits, vs. 22,600 for Bakari. I would suspect that the average WP BLP subjects have fewer hits. See for example, Juliane Köpcke, Cecelia Cichan and Vesna Vulović for dry-land sole survivors. Crum375 (talk) 18:18, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep BLPs can be kept despite BLP1E if the event is especially significant, and this seems a particularly memorable crash and survival by any standards. -- Boing!   said Zebedee  19:01, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge to Yemenia Flight 626, as there is nothing in the article that does not relate directly to that accident. As the nominator says, a classic case of WP:BLP1E. Mangoe (talk) 20:30, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * This was discussed at length in the previous AfD. A reader who wants to read about an airplane crash, generally wants to know how the crash happened, how many died or were inured, what caused it, and the general aftermath. The details of Bahia's epic struggle all alone in the dark ocean next to the floating wreckage, and her unique survival story, are much more than would make sense in the main crash article. This is why we have the summary style links: Bahia is linked to the main accident article via summary style, and the accident article is linked to Bahia via summary style. To cram both topics into one single page makes no sense, since having two separate pages doesn't cost anything. That they are related to each other is no reason to merge them, any more than we should merge Hamlet into Shakespeare. Crum375 (talk) 21:09, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally I don't think the main article is all that long, so I don't see that as an impediment to merger. Mangoe (talk) 21:31, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not so much an issue of length as of topic. Some readers are more technically inclined, and they like to focus on an accident as a failure of technology: how it happened, why, what were the political aftershocks. Other readers are more people oriented, and would like to focus on a personal survival story: a young girl, a non-swimmer, fighting alone, in the darkness, against high seas and sharp wreckage debris, thirsty and hungry, for many hours, and not giving up. These stories are related, but very different, and there is no reason to force them under a single page just because they are related. Crum375 (talk) 21:44, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Coverage is beyond WP:BLP1E. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 02:51, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep As said above, coverage exceeds WP:BLP1E -- warrior  4321   02:32, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep She is also, technically, an author. Has substantial sourced content; not really the ideal candidate for WP:NOTNEWS. - Running On Brains (talk) 00:43, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
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