Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahnzeit


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Beeblebrox (talk) 15:05, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Bahnzeit

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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions.  Cliff  Smith 17:37, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions.  Cliff  Smith 17:37, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

This is a disambiguation page that does not serve to disambiguate anything. The lead is a dictionary definition, and the two entries don't have articles, nor do the links that they do have even mention Bahnzeit in the articles. Whpq (talk) 13:07, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If it's an unimprovable dictionary definition, then the best outcome is usually a soft redirect to Wiktionary. (Wiktionary don't have an entry for Bahnzeit so we'd probably want to ask them if they want a transwiki; they might prefer to start from scratch.)  Anyway, it's not a good idea to turn this into a redlink that encourages a new user to write an article, because of the risk that we'll be back at AfD again in a year's time saying the same thing; and besides, it's a plausible search term.— S Marshall  T/C 23:00, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply - The dictionary definition aspect of it provides a definition for a German word so I don't see the utility of a soft redirect. -- Whpq (talk) 23:36, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * How does that follow, please?— S Marshall T/C 20:19, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * My reasoning is that this is the English language Wikipedia, and so providing a dictionary definition of aa non-English word is not appropriate. English does borrow words liberally from other languages, and in those cases an entry on the English Wikipedia would be okay.  But I don't see that "Bahnzeit" as a word is used much in English, and I note that there is no entry for it on the English wiktionary, or for that matter, the German one either. -- Whpq (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay... I would see the fact that there's no such entry as an argument in favour of the transwiki. The de.wiki culture is different from ours but it's not like them to omit a commonplace German colloquialism. I acknowledge that you've not encountered it in English, but the fact that it's obscure is what makes it a plausible search term: end-users might not understand it and might very well turn to Wikipedia for information.  (I want to add that this is obscure but not totally unknown.  The rules for neologisms or protologisms don't apply to words that have been around since before the 1920s.)— S Marshall  T/C 23:12, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with the requirements for an entry on Wiktionary, and whether this would qualify. I'd support a soft redirect to Wikitionary if the entry existed there. -- 13:09, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger One ping only 00:17, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep. Reasonable disambiguation page for a plausible search term. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment - None of the target articles even mention "Bahnzeit" in the body so I don't see why directing readers there from a disambiguation page servers any useful purpose. -- Whpq (talk) 16:23, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:SOFIXIT. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:02, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Reply - That assumes that there is anything truly relevant to add to those target articles. -- Whpq (talk) 11:54, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You could certainly mention that the staff magazine is actually called DB Welt nowadays. Uncle G (talk) 15:07, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete, perhaps speedily (db-disambig), we do not have an article on DB Welt or on the MDR's program. I (native German speaker) also have never heard the term used to refer to 24-hour clocks. The dewiki disambig page doesn't mention that, either. —Kusma (t·c) 18:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. —Kusma (t·c) 18:33, 20 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:01, 22 July 2012 (UTC)




 * Delete This is the English language version and we cover the topic in English at railway time. If we need links to equivalents in other languages, this can be done using the usual interlanguage links. Warden (talk) 11:40, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. The article has 3 meanings, not just "railway time". It was created to clarify the differences between all three (and any others that come up). I have linked it to railway time though. --Bermicourt (talk) 06:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, but create DB Welt, the new name for the Bahnzeit magazine by Deutsche Bahn, the German national rail carrier, thus providing clear links for at least 2 of the 3 meanings Bermicourt (talk) 06:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * If an article for DB Welt is created, Bahnzeit should redirect there. Until there is an article for more than two meanings, disambiguation is not necessary, and I don't see us creating an article on the MDR show soon. —Kusma (t·c) 07:16, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.