Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Balch & Bingham


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was No consensus to delete, after much-extended time for discussion. I further note that there are indeed a substantial number of unplumbed new references to the firm. Some of these are quite unflattering. I recommend improving the article by adding them. BD2412 T 06:23, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Balch & Bingham

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Fails WP:NCORP. The 4th largest.  scope_creep Talk  12:50, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Alabama-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  12:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  12:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Law-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone  12:53, 5 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete- Does not pass WP:NCORP, events are routine for a law firm. MrsSnoozyTurtle (talk) 07:58, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep- This does pass WP:BASIC with independent sources that demonstrate notability.--WondoMathias (talk) 17:01, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * 'Comment Lets look at the references:
 * * Company offices page.
 * * Managing Partner Alan T. Rogers said in a prepared statement. "Judge Martin set the standard for how law should be practiced and clients served. We strive to meet that standard." Fails WP:ORGIND.
 * * Some non-notable award page. No context.
 * * "The center of our business was the Alabama Power Co., which moved from Montgomery to Birmingham in 1922," says Harold Williams, a retired partner and resident historian at Balch. "We were created to represent them, and they are still our largest client." Fails WP:ORGIND.
 * * An obituary for a man who worked there.
 * * Routine announcement of company merger. Fails WP:CORPDEPTH, WP:SIRS
 * * Former Georgia Attorney General Mike Bowers has left Balch & Bingham in Atlanta, where he was a partner for nearly 20 years, for an Athens law firm just 20 miles away from his Jackson County farm.  Routine announcement. Likely fails WP:ORGIND and WP:SIRS
 * * “The attorneys of Presley Burton & Collier have a well-deserved reputation as outstanding lawyers serving tax-exempt and tax-advantaged transactions across the nation,” Alan Rogers, the chairman of Balch & Bingham’s executive committee, said in a statement.  fails WP:ORGIND and WP:SIRS
 * * “The merger with Balch offers our team the opportunity to join a firm with a similar culture and a shared commitment to clients’ successes, while expanding our geographic footprint and allowing us to grow our services with our clients,” said Gresham R. Stoneburner, partner of Stoneburner Berry Glocker Purcell & Greenhut, in the release Press-release.
 * * “Our growth has always been driven by the needs of our clients. With their support and the increasing demand for our services in Houston and throughout Texas, we are providing additional infrastructure and support to our lawyers and practices that currently exist in the market,” said Balch managing partner Stan Blanton.  Fails WP:ORGIND. It is a press-release.

So out of that lot, not a single references is valid. Fails WP:NCORP, WP:DEL14, WP:DEL4 and WP:SIRS.  scope_creep Talk  17:59, 7 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep When nominating a page for deletion, one must also do a Google search and other searches to see there are more news sources. A Google news search brings up over 11 pages of results for this company and I have verified that there are plenty of other mentions. Although many are passing mentions, a company of this caliber, being in the news so much, certainly passes notability guidelines. Expertwikiguy (talk) 00:14, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Throw them up so we can take a look at them.   scope_creep Talk  08:56, 8 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment It’s a 100 year old law firm this falls in line with WP:MULTSOURCES. It is difficult to find an depth profile since it has been through mergers and acquisitions and those related stories should count too, but here are some I found:
 * * Mother Jones
 * * The Birmingham News
 * * Washington Post
 * * The Birmingham News--WondoMathias (talk) 16:14, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:45, 12 December 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete: Reads more like an advertisement than an encyclopedic article. I do not believe the sourcing is strong enough to satisfy WP:NCORP. Celestina007 (talk) 08:07, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep They are notable. Might want to add a notable cases section as opposed to just a history of ownership.--TerrellTrevon (talk) 18:03, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 04:28, 20 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete The criteria for establishing notability for companies/organizations as per WP:NCORP is for multiple sources (at least two) of significant coverage with in-depth information *on the company* and (this bit is important!) containing "Independent Content". "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. None of the references in the article meet the criteria and having searched I am unable to locate any references that meet the criteria. Topic fails GNG/WP:NCORP.  HighKing++ 23:58, 26 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep I hate voting from an IP, but I’m a week away from my computer still and I find this one bothersome. The two Alabama Today articles posted in Wanda’s comment above are clearly independent of the firm, plus the Washington Post and a slew of Birmingham Business Journal articles show sustained coverage over many years. Meets the criteria of WP:NCORP and WP:Basic. 68.194.60.216 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 03:47, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The above user is another WP:SPA who has not made a single edit to wikipedia, apart from this one, which indicates the user has a WP:COI.   scope_creep Talk  10:27, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * No, as they said, they're a longtime Wikipedia editor who's away on a Christmas vacation and hasn't got a computer they're comfortable putting their login and password details on. Been there, done that. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  21:29, 29 December 2020 (UTC)


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