Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ballyboughal Aerodrome


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The result was   redirect to List of airports in Ireland. Drmies (talk) 22:50, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Ballyboughal Aerodrome

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This is a bit of a weird one. I was brought to this article by the tag requesting that the geographic coordinates be corrected; but as I searched around online, I ran into one roadblock after another. Although several sites dealing with airports have a page for this place, most or all of the sites seem to depend on user-submitted information. The location that most of them give (53.5341°N, -6.246°W) appears on Google and Bing maps to be an agricultural field planted in crops, with no sign of a hangar or any other facility for aircraft (and certainly not the 1,700-foot asphalt runway specified in our article), and a scan of the surrounding area on both Google Maps and the Irish OS map turns up nothing that looks like an airfield. The purported ICAO code for the airfield—EIBA, found in our article and on some of the external sites—does not exist according to page 61 of this 2006 ICAO document, and the "Airfield Trust" said by our article to run the airfield appears to actually operate—or to have operated—an "urban farm" tourist attraction in Dundrum and not any airports (as shown by the complete Wayback history of its Web site at http://www.airfield.ie). All in all, though I can't go so far as to say that this is a hoax, it certainly seems to fail WP:V for lack of reliable sources. Deor (talk) 20:37, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Weak keep - while WP:RS do need to be found, I found this at somebody's private site - not RS, but a hint: "EIBA, Ballyboughal, N, 53, 31, 53, W, 006, 16, 27 ? 1997, Agriculture, Closed? Runway gone by 2009." So, apparently, a closed airport. Notability is not temporary, and closed airports are as notable as open ones, but if we can't find sources, well... - The Bushranger One ping only 20:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Usually any substantial closed airport/airbase leaves traces behind which are visible from a satellite view, even in verdant agricultural land (eastern England is covered with them); but at those slightly different coordinates you found, there's no sign of any leftover infrastructure or traces in the fields. Perhaps there was a basic airstrip there at some point, but if so I think it was little more than a field, and I doubt it would be intrinsically notable. bobrayner (talk) 22:57, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a Naul Road running through the site, but searches based on that are complicated by the coincidence that there's another Naul Road a few km south, next to the very real and notable Dublin airport. bobrayner (talk) 23:03, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger One ping only 20:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. The Bushranger One ping only 20:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete While notability isn't temporary, if there aren't reliable sources, this was notable never. Alessandra Napolitano (talk) 21:23, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete; without substantial coverage by independent sources, it appears to fall short of the GNG. bobrayner (talk) 21:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: Following up on The Bushranger's information, I found this site (not necessarily a reliable source, I know), where the spelling "Ballyboghil" is used. Searching for that spelling, however, led me to even less than I found for "Ballyboughal". Deor (talk) 22:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment appears to have been notable to have an ICAO code allocated but apart from that zilch, perhaps redirect to List of airports in Ireland which nearly says more about it in one line! MilborneOne (talk) 19:31, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * That would be a reasonable thing to do. Redirect to List of airports in Ireland. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:19, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Redirect for now, per MilborneOne and The Bushranger. 1,600 feet of asphalt is more than a grass field.Red Hurley (talk) 11:33, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.