Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baltazár


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The result was   delete. Jenks24 (talk) 10:55, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Baltazár

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 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Cliff  Smith 21:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  Cliff  Smith 21:18, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

This article was tagged for speedy deletion as an obvious hoax. I didn't find it blisteringly obvious as to warrant speedy deletion, but if this is indeed false information, it should be deleted Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 20:21, 12 July 2012 (UTC) 
 * I do not have now an immediate access to the library, but List of Hunnic rulers clearly lists somebody else under the same years.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:20, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That list is very dodgy for the years allotted to each name; in a lot of cases, all we have is a fl. or maybe a year of death. I have several books (in German) on the Huns, and none of them mentions "Baltazár" or "Donatus", who seem to originate from an anachronistic Russian source à la Geoffrey of Monmouth. Trigaranus (talk) 15:15, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * , cited in Uldin, contains no mention of this person and goes straight from "the shadowy" Balamber to Uldin ("the first Hun mentioned by name") on page 59. As far as I can tell, the only place from which this information could have come to the original author is ISBN 9780979373701.  That is a book of highly questionable scholarship, whose author's credentials I have been unable to determine, and that appears to have been self-published, or at least published by a publisher that has only ever published the one book.  Maenchen-Helfen 1973, on the other hand, is Otto J. Maenchen-Helfen and a university press.  I go with the credentialled historian, there being no evidence that I can find that reliable historical scholarship has found a new, heretofore unrecognized, hun leader in the time since 1973.  Delete.  Uncle G (talk) 15:46, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger One ping only 01:16, 19 July 2012 (UTC)




 * Delete as failing to have significant coverage in independent third party sources, and as per above. Stuartyeates (talk) 09:08, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
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