Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baltia Air Lines (2nd nomination)


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The result was   delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 05:01, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Baltia Air Lines
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Not notable. Subject owns an airplane, perhaps two, and has plans - as yet unauthorized - to commence passenger service between NYC and St. Petersburg, Russia. Judging by the prior deletion discussion, found here, these unrealized plans have been in place for some time. Third party coverage is minimal and cursory. JohnInDC (talk) 20:50, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete - buying an old 747 (one of those in the 2011 cite has since been scrapped), and applying for approvals does not make this potential venture notable. It needs to get from planned startup to real live start-up to become encyclopedic. Davidships (talk) 21:53, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Keep - This airline has been planned since 1989, and is about to start up in a few months. They have now hired pilots and flight attendants, and have a fully functioning website that shows all of the routes to begin soon. this is indeed a real live start-up, and will begin very shortly. There are several articles on Wikipedia about start-up airlines, and they are not removed. The scapped 747 can easily be removed from the page, but the article does not have to be deleted. Also, the plane has now been fully furnished, and is ready for use. They have even rented a jet bridge at JFK Airport's terminal 4, and have an office and lounge there now. --AirportExpert (talk) 22:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)AirportExpert
 * Delete - Wikipedia is not a crystal ball, for something that has been planned for decades and still not come to fruition, not notable. Canterbury Tail   talk  13:36, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
 * They are not planned anymore! They have now leased terminal space at JFK Airport's Terminal 4, and even stated on their website that they will begin service later this year. If the problem is that they are still planned, they are not! They are now considered a start-up airline that is finishing up its FAA Certification to fly.--AirportExpert (talk) 14:32, 16 February 2014 (UTC)AirportExpert
 * They are still planned. No dates for flights, nothing for their inaugural event, no idea when they'll start flying (other than hoping 2014.) Until they fly a commercial passenger route and are given their certification they are not an airline, they are a paper exercise with some assets and therefore not notable. Canterbury Tail   talk  21:49, 16 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Userfy to User:AirportExpert/Baltia Air Lines and republish when the airline has announced a start date/has begun operations. T ofutwitch11  (T ALK ) 23:19, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of New York-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:41, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Aviation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 18 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:CRYSTAL. Would not object to userification but believe it would be best to start from scratch when the time comes. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:39, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.