Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baltic Estonia


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Kurykh (talk) 04:37, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Baltic Estonia
Why there is an opinion "Baltic Estonia" needs to be deleted but propagandistic, "containing new information" articles like "Nordic Estonia" can shine and desinform the users of wikipedia? People, I need you help. An encyclopedia-it should be the place there is an verified and objective information. You can not post a map with Turkey on there and say "This is the map od European Union" and write there "Turkey has shown a deep interest in joining to European Union". You can´t to it as Turkey is not in EU. But why is possible to BS the the general public with wrong information about a small country. I do not want to start any editing war with the article of nordic estonia. Are there any legal, civilized way to reach fair-mindedness? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Räcx2 (talk • contribs) 20:30, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


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Content fork from Estonia that was speedily redirected and then reverted. No real content that isn't in the Estonia article, and it seems like an odd redirect or search term to be honest. Could possibly qualify for A10, but bringing it here for more discussion. TonyBallioni (talk) 16:44, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I've reconsidered my initial skepticism and I think the article may be kept. After all, there is an article on Nordic Estonia and while the naming of both articles is unsatisfying, they do cover the subject of the debate on whether Estonia should be considered a Baltic or a Nordic country, which is relevant. Both articles are at the same time in a real need of cleaning up and editing. Yakikaki (talk) 17:01, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I initially redirected this article to Baltic states, and I still think that between that article and Estonia there is no new material in this article. However, I do not know the area enough to tell if there should be an article discussing the place of Estonia amongst Baltic vs. Nordic states - if this is a genuine debate it could be covered through a merge into Nordic Estonia under a new name. Based on current content, references, and what I can find I think this should be merged and redirected into Baltic states. |→ Spaully ~talk~  21:45, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Estonia-related deletion discussions. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 03:48, 3 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I would like to explain the article "Baltic Estonia". The article wants to explain how wide and deep-rooted actually are Estonia´s ties with other Baltic states especially Latvia. It gives some new information about that how these two countries are one unite in many aspects. The thing is that there are some wikipedia fighters from Estonia who have fulfilled wikipedia with in my opinin 100% propagandistic stuff there they try to "prove" that Estonia is not Baltic but "Nordic". Those authors know perfectly what are the Nordic countries in reality and what aren´t but they try to brainwash wikipedia readers and make them to believe that things are so like they believe. The article Nordic Estonia and Estonian ammendments to article nordic countries is  biased and does not fulfill the wiki criterions in my opinion as it is stump speech and propaganda. Behind there is 1-2 estonian persons with Swedish roots. They represent in real life sort of 0,..0001% of Estonians. Their activity is ridiculous https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/Estonia_cannot_into_Nordic.jpg  Sorry for being a bit emotional but the way how wikipedia is used as propaganda tool is very annoying, hypocritical and based on cherry picked and completely marginal facts... It is regrettable that such things happen in wikipedia. The article Baltic Estonia wants to point out that Estonia is really a Baltic country. This is a question of dignity and staidness what we unfortunately seem to lack as we want to be  anybody else. I kindly please to remain article Baltic Estonia as separate article (at least as long as "Nordic Estonia" exists!) -- Preceding comment added by Räcx2 on Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion .  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uanfala (talk • contribs) 04:07, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. As an Estonian editor, I take issue with much of what this editor has stated. As much of it seems to be borderline ranting and hysteria ("Estonia can into Nordic?" - an imageboard meme, really?), I won't even address those statements. I will say, however, that wanting to create an article merely based on what seems to me to be some kind of peculiar resentments seems ridiculous. Wanting to create a Wiki page as a "payback" for some perceived slight or personal grievance is never a good idea. Räcx2 states that "The article Baltic Estonia wants to point out that Estonia is really a Baltic country." So, he/she is creating an article to angrily prove his opinion? Anyway, beyond that, I have no issue with an article discussing Estonia's links to Latvia and Lithuania...oh, wait. We have that...it's called Baltic States. ExRat (talk) 23:48, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete. The topic of this article seems to be Estonia (existing article), but with a very biased point of view. It appears that the only intent of this article is to convey the similarities between Estonia and the other Baltic States in an essay format. I believe that these similarities would be better conveyed within existing articles, as mentioned by others. --NoGhost (talk) 03:10, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I propose then to merge the article with Estonia and/or Baltic states, but in fairness I think that also Nordic Estonia should be merged then, as well. Either that or a common article where both of these views get explained. And please again note, the views should be explained and presented, not defended or attacked. And please, all involved, use a civil tone here and in Wikipedia in general. Just state your opinions and your reasons for them and we can all move along. Thanks. Yakikaki (talk) 07:12, 4 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:19, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:19, 5 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete, an unsalvageable WP:POINTy POV fork. --Nug (talk) 09:54, 5 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, article is loaded with POV and any similarities should be covered in Baltic States. Also, the topic itself seems to be almost solely created by the creator. ExRat (talk) 19:17, 8 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Basically an essay, original research. --MelanieN (talk) 01:44, 10 March 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.