Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BanSitar


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. To demonstrate notability, there require reliable sources that discuss the instrument itself. The fact that the instrument have been used by someone notable is not sufficient. KTC (talk) 00:28, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

BanSitar

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The sources for this novelty instrument are not substantive coverage in independent third party sources. Hekerui (talk) 10:15, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Leaning Weak delete - Have not found reliable sources that cover this topic. While it appears (per the Wikipedia article) that BBC Radio aired a piece that included the instrument being played ( (links to an unavailable episode, unfortunately), the only additional information found in source searches is this primary source. Northamerica1000(talk) 05:23, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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 * Weak delete - Like Northamerica1000, I found the same sources and came to the same conclusions. There is stuff out there, but it seems to all be in unreliable sources or very brief passing mentions, unfortunately. -- Ritchie333 (talk)  (cont)   15:14, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 04:45, 24 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Strong keep - By way of example, on the album Weave & Spin, Rowan Rheingans plays the BanSitar as a part of the group Lady Maisery on the track Nottamun Fair (see play window for Nottamun Fair here in order to play the recording). Lady Maisery were nominated for the BBC Radio 2 Folk Awards (Horizon Award, ). Perhaps Lady Maisery might be considered notable enough to warrant a Wikipedia article?

Although the actual BBC recordings appear not to be currently available, example playings are listed by the BBC and include the BBC Radio 3 "In Tune" programme, as cited above, and also.

Even if the BanSitar were a "novelty" instrument as mentioned above, I do not believe this would lessen the case for the article; Wikipedia contains many articles for novelty instruments. However it appears to be a somewhat novel, turn-of-the-century instrument.

Having come across the instrument in performance, I was surprised Wikipedia had no article for it, so I created one. The article is currently very much a stub. A reliable reference to the instrument's construction would be useful. Clearly the BanSitar exists, is being played, recorded and the recordings played on the BBC. I think Wikipedia would be the poorer without an article for it. G J Coyne (talk) 09:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

I submit that although this article needs improvement with further references to reliable sources, that it is encyclopedic and a useful and improvable addition to Wikipedia. G J Coyne (talk) 11:59, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
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I perform, compose and record with the BanSitar with my groups The Field and Dragon. It is integral in my daily musical life. A good friend of mine, Cece Giannotti is about to receive his BanSitar from Helmut. Cece is one of Barcelona's prominent composers and performers and I know he will be using the BanSitar live and on recording as well. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CarterReid (talk • contribs) 01:06, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment CarterReid. I don't think anyone is questioning that the BanSitar exists or that it is being played or recorded. As I understand it, the question raised is whether the content of the article is verifiable against reliable sources. An independent review of the instrument from a reliable source would be useful, perhaps one which gave detail of it's construction? Such a sources may already exist and if not, I'm sure they will exist soon. I did see some discussion on a forum (Australian?) of a catalogue of a range of instruments including the BanSitar, but I have lost that source. Might you know of reliable sources which we might cite? G J Coyne (talk) 22:09, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
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