Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bangkok Bus Line 504


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Seems like we have a delete consensus here, but it shouldn't be considered a general consensus for getting rid of all of these articles. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 21:43, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Bangkok Bus Line 504

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I do not think we have a general agreement that bus routes are individually notable, and I do not see how this one stands out. I do not think we have dedicated infrastructure for this bus route (i.e. this is not equivalent to Metrobus). Ymblanter (talk) 10:01, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Ymblanter (talk) 10:01, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Thailand-related deletion discussions. Ymblanter (talk) 10:01, 16 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment How on earth can you apply GNG to an article like this? It's either fact or fiction. Considering it looks all correct I am going to say there is nothing wrong with the article. On the other hand, how is this useful to wikipedia when I am sure there are other websites, apps, for Bangkok bus routes which will be far more useful. I am also confused by what you mean when you say I do not think we have dedicated infrastructure for this. There are a lot of articles for London Busses, are you going to delete all them too? Govvy (talk) 10:34, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, how long is the bus route expected to exist? How long did it exist? I was born in a city where there were several hundred bus routes, which are rerouted and change numbers and get canceled and the number get assigned to a completely different route in the other part of the city, and this is all happening on a weekly basis. Are they all so notable that each must have a separate article? I understand that lines of Mexico City Metrobús are notable - there are less than a dozen of them, and it takes years, and a lot of investment, to prepare such route, with the corresponding long-span media attention - but here we have just a designation, nothing else.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:47, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Reply Well, FYI, The Line 504 had its history back to the 1978 if you translate the part of ปอ.๔ (AC.4 -- which was renumbered as 504 in 2001 but the route was -- and still is, almost the same) Teampawaris (talk) 12:12, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Per WP:NOTGUIDE and WP:NOTTIMETABLE, we should not encourage the wanton creation of hundreds of bus roue stubs per city. A minimum standard needs to be set, but for now the existence of substantial non-passing non-omnibus coverage of the specific route from a reliable source should be good enough. I have been considering writing articles on various Seattle-area bus routes, for example, and am currently trawling through reliable sources to determine which should get articles in the first place.  Sounder Bruce  23:10, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Reply We have articles on trainlines, they tend to have a historic nature to them, I am not sure there is much historic nature to bus routes. Yes, they can be old and be running for years, I simply don't think we really need to have articles on single bus routes on wikipedia, sourcing for them will typically be primary sourced and that doesn't help. I don't think bus route articles can ever pass general GNG guidelines. Also Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Buses states that minor routes should not have separate articles. Govvy (talk) 11:52, 17 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete. Individual bus lines are generally non-notable, and the sources here -- the bus authority's official site, a wiki, and a Facebook page -- don't suggest otherwise to me. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 18:29, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This bus route needs to have substantial coverage in a secondary source to pass GNG. One of its current sources is also a fan wiki, which is clearly unacceptable.  Sounder Bruce  20:39, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment: While I agree that most bus routes have not been adequately covered by reliable sources to satisfy the GNG, there are some, like the notorious Number 8 bus, which probably have. This discussion should not be regarded as setting precedent for other Thai bus route articles. That said, I haven't identified significant coverage of the 504 bus, the subject of this AfD. There's some news coverage, but it's mostly routine reporting about incidents and accidents. --Paul_012 (talk) 19:03, 18 February 2020 (UTC)


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