Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Hussein Obama Sr


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Redirect to Dreams from My Father since there is no consensus to delete, but neither to have at this time a separate article. Tikiwont (talk) 08:53, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Barack Hussein Obama Sr

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Completely non-notable outside of the context of his son, and even then seemingly non-notable. None of the references appear to be directly about him, mainly comments on him from his son some of which may not even be verifiable. Ben W Bell  talk  03:56, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

DoolBozorg (talk) 03:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)HOW ABOUT THE FACT THAT IT HAS HIS BIRTH PLACE AND BIRTH YEAR AND HIS RELIGION?? THAT IS ALL FACT, YOU CAN DELETE THE STUFF ABOUT HIS SON, BUT THAT IS ALL STILL BASIC FACT. DISPUTE IT ALL YOU WANT, FACT IS FACT. — DoolBozorg (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Please don't shout.  Mønobi 04:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * See WP:BIO. JetLover (talk) (Report a mistake) 04:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * My own father had a birth place, a birth year and a religion, all of which are also facts, but that does not mean he should have a Wikipedia article. Fact is fact, true, but lack of notability is still lack of notability per WP:N and WP:BIO. Edison (talk) 17:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete Completely non-notable. -- Ļıßζېấשּׂ~ۘ Ώƒ ﻚĢęخ (talk) 04:08, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete (e.c) While Barack Obama is notable, simply being related to someone notable does not make that person notable. The article is also a BLP accident waiting to happen. (I wasn't aware he was no longer living)  Mønobi  04:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete NN person, just being related to someone notable doesn't make you notable.  TJ   Spyke   04:15, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He died in 1982 so there's no BLP concern toward Obama Sr. Obama's father has been written about a lot.  Here's a lengthy piece from the Washington Post that I remember reading just a few weeks ago .  I'd be okay having this redirect to Dreams from My Father, but I'm not really seeing a good reason to delete this.  Seems like a conversation for talk pages. --JayHenry (talk) 05:07, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Dreams from My Father. Bearcat (talk) 05:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Dreams from My Father This is the same sort of debate for James Hendrix Sr., which was ultimately deleted. I agree fathering one of note does not make one notable. OneHappyHusky (talk) 06:21, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect per above. Accurizer (talk) 08:11, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Question/Comment Wasn't Barack Sr. a fairly important economist in Kenya? He may be more notable than people think... I'll see what I can dig up. Zagalejo^^^ 08:34, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment The bulk of the article in its current state is a WP:COPYVIO of -Verdatum (talk) 15:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also in favor of Redirect to Dreams from My Father, per my comment above -Verdatum (talk) 18:14, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Dreams from My Father Notability does not automatically travel backward through time to the ancestors of US presidential candidates. Edison (talk) 17:45, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect per above Will (talk) 17:48, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Dreams from My Father; father on his own is non-notable. RJC Talk 19:51, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep, the Chicago Sun-Times article listed as a reference is an article on this man by the political editor of a notable newspaper and makes the subject of this article notable, in my opinion. I'm quite sure more media coverage can be found, as Senator Obama's family background has been given lots of attention in the media. 96T (talk) 23:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete/redirect as above. Apart from his son, he's a non-notable person, and simply being the father (or other relation) of a US Presidential candidate does not in itself make you notable. Redirecting to Dreams from My Father might be the best choice. Terraxos (talk) 00:14, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment However, if he Barack Obama is elected President of the United States, Mom and Dad both get their own articles on Wikipedia. For examples of fathers of American presidents who got their own articles, see George H.W. Bush and John Adams. Mandsford (talk) 04:39, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep of course fathers of Presidents (and grandfather too, at the least), are notable, but if other people are sufficiently notable this can apply also. If he wins the nomination he will certainly be in that catogory--even if not, there will probably be enough independent sourcing. DGG (talk) 19:36, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He's not a president yet. I say redirect to the book, or delete. Not really fussed. If Obama does become the US President this can be recreated, as I'd assume the parent(s) of US Presidents are default notable, right? I also wouldn't really object to a well-sourced recreation here.--h i s  s p a c e   r e s e a r c h 05:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I must strongly disagree that the fathers (or mothers) of US presidents are automatically notable. Edison (talk) 04:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Delete Not notable enough for an article of his own and all the important content is already included in his son's article. But a mea culpa here. I fubar'd and misread the status of this AFD and moved the article to Barack Obama, Sr. and then turned it into a redirect to Barack Obama.  I've undone the redirect, but left the page at the new location. Including Senior's middle name is not necessary in the article title. *sigh* Yes.. Yes.. I'm an idiot.;) --Bobblehead (rants) 23:31, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


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