Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama presidential campaign, VP selection process (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Gwen Gale (talk) 18:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Barack Obama presidential campaign, VP selection process
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Content forking. All information in Barack Obama presidential campaign, VP selection process + more can be found at United States Democratic vice presidential candidates, 2008‎. If all info+more can be found at the second article, there is no reason to keep this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bigvinu (talk • contribs)

Note: I am removing United States Democratic vice presidential candidates, 2008 from deletion for purposes of using it as historical reference.


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.   --  Fabrictramp  |  talk to me  00:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Note - it appears we do have precendent for articles like this (John Kerry presidential campaign VP selection process) --T-rex 05:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete, most news reports on this are conjecture, and what little is known needs to be somewhere else, ideally in the short Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008 article which was created to be free of any information about the primary campaign. Phlegm Rooster (talk) 05:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete both the nominated article and United States Democratic vice presidential candidates, 2008‎ write a new article or section at Barack Obama presidential campaign, 2008 which is well referenced and doesn't include every name ever mentioned in connection with the post (i.e. serious contenders only). If need be wait until there is more definitive information to avoid just speculating or quoting other spurious speculations. Ideally a VP section process article should speak of the process and not just be a list of names.Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:21, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep United States Democratic vice presidential candidates, 2008‎. This article will provide an historical record of the broad field of possible candidates that will have been considered. Think of the value that similar lists could provide if they were available for the last 200 years. We will never be able to accurately create such lists historically. But we do now have the opportunity to have these lists for each party going forward. Keeping them costs little and will provide a great benefit to scholars of the future. Of course reputable sourcing is paramount and names should not be deleted as they are eliminated; otherwise the "final version" will have only one name, negating the historical value of the article.--Appraiser (talk) 16:07, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment the problem with United States Democratic vice presidential candidates, 2008‎ is the potential candidates because in all honesty it is an incomplete listing and if it was complete would be WAY too long. Have a look at the requirements to be vice president. Every single person anywhere that meets those requirements is a "potential candidate" (not to mention that being a potential candidate means that you aren't actually a candidate only that you may someday eventually be one. Jasynnash2 (talk) 16:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Response Yes the "potential" candidate list is huge, but those mentioned in credible media sources represent a reasonable number, and this list is pretty comprehensive from that standpoint. Whenever I see someone mentioned in the news, I check these lists (United States Republican vice presidential candidates, 2008‎ also) and usually the names are already here. BTW, I find it telling that the Republican list has not also been WP:Proded. Is there a political agendum at work here?--Appraiser (talk) 16:33, 25 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep This article actually is showing political speculation of the media at this time in history. United States Democratic vice presidential candidates, 2008 however should be deleted or incorporated because it was started when there wasn't a clear nominee so that was based on Clinton and Obama. Gang14 (talk) 04:38, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep - Notable and useful. More information can be incorporated as the process progresses, and the article will become more definitive as time goes on. Article is useful to keep large quantity of information from cluttering other articles. -FrankTobia (talk) 05:46, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep - this is, if anything is, a historic moment. Bearian (talk) 00:04, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Redirect Barack Obama presidential campaign, VP selection process to United States Democratic vice presidential candidates, 2008. These articles seem to be redundant.--Appraiser (talk) 01:57, 1 July 2008 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.