Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama speech in Prague, 2009


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The result was   redirect to List of presidential trips made by Barack Obama. The consensus is to delete; I am creating a redirect as a possible search term. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 05:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Barack Obama speech in Prague, 2009

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WP:NTEMP Speeches are not notable enough for an article simply b/c they are made by the President, which seem to be user's rationale: Soxwon (talk) 16:02, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom and the sentiments expressed at WP:MILL. Gigs (talk) 18:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment - Not really sure how to vote on this one. There are other articles on Obama speeches, as evidenced by Category:Speeches by Barack Obama.  Clearly, not every speech the guy gives needs an article.  So, the question is, is this a run-of-the-mill speech, or was it an important enough speech to require an article?  The creator of the article brings up some valid (yet unsourced) opinions on the talk page.  This is a tough one.    Snotty Wong   gab 18:47, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 19:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete per Wikipedia is not a news outlet and lack of notability. Are You The Cow Of Pain? (talk) 19:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Delete - without a reaction/reception section this article does not appear notable. Nergaal (talk) 05:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. This speech is generally considered an historic speech. I agree that a reception section is sorely missing, but from these sources it is clear enough that the speech was not a "run of the mill" speech. It is also quite doable, for an editor interested in the topic, to write a reception section; there is no lack of sources. --Lambiam 20:17, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment Just glancing through that list of sources I see many passing mentions of the speech (a la CNN Edition, dailytimes.com, allafrica, asiantribune), op-eds, and things that would generally be expected for a speech given by the President of the United States. It's covered by the news, life goes on, it should probably get mentioned in his bio, but it doesn't need a whole article. As for the g-news search, considering how many of those sources may be blogs, more passing mentions of the speech, and/or not even about the speech, you really need something more concrete. Soxwon (talk) 20:31, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * These sources are meant to support my claim that the speech is generally considered an historic speech. A speech that is widely qualified as an historic speech by reliable sources – even while only mentioning it in passing – is, evidently, not a "run of the mill" speech. The hundreds of news articles listed by the Google search of the last link are from the two months following the speech; they are generally concerned with covering the speech itself and reactions to it. --Lambiam 20:52, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The problem with simply pointing to g-news and saying "look hits" is that, when you sift through them, they don't always support what you have said. Many of them mention the fact that he spoke, but go on to cover the conference in more detail, rather than dwell on his speech. Again, his speech is noteworthy, but not really enough for its own article. I think nice paragraph in his bio would suffice. Soxwon (talk) 13:59, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
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