Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barack Obama speech to Clinton Global Initiative, 2012


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Black Kite (talk) 10:15, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Barack Obama speech to Clinton Global Initiative, 2012

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Delete, doesn't merit a stand alone article. Seems to be political coatrack Hell In A Bucket (talk) 21:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep - There is plenty of media coverage of this speech; it clearly passes our general notability guideline. We also have several other articles about speeches by Obama (listed here). If the article is deemed too short, it should simply be merged somewhere, but it should certainly not be deleted. Neelix (talk) 21:17, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * At most there should be a mention in that companies article but to write a article on each presidential speech would be nuts, of course they cover those speeches by the most famous man in the world. It doesn't nec mean they all should have articles on them. If you also notice those were significant speeches, to congress and as a election victory speech, this is not. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 21:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - while it meets WP:SIGCOV it fails WP:NOTTEMP. This speech does not have the lasting impact of, for example, the John F. Kennedy 1961 inaugural speech. Every speech made by a head of state would otherwise merit its own stand alone article. Blue Riband► 22:44, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:NOTTEMP is an essay, not a guideline. There is a discussion in the White House scheduled for later this week that resulted from this speech; the impact has lasted up until the present, several months after the speech. Why delete and not merge? Neelix (talk) 04:35, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - newspaper coverage irrelevant: all what Obama utters is surely covered. Ho evidence of encyclopedic impact . - Altenmann >t 23:45, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Many people have responded to the speech in various ways. What would constitute encyclopedic impact that this speech did not have? Neelix (talk) 04:35, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete A sentence or two on this in another article would be good. North8000 (talk) 00:54, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * All of the information in the article is valid and reliably sourced, not just a sentence or two. Surely merging is more appropriate than deletion? Neelix (talk) 04:35, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete Classical ONEEVENT. If this speech turns out to be in the class of lastingly notable speeches, such as MLK's "I have a dream", or the Gettysburg address, then we can re-create this article, but my crystal ball tells me not to keep my breath. --Randykitty (talk) 09:46, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * WP:ONEEVENT is a guideline for determining the notability of biographical articles, not articles about events. Why should speeches be held to a higher standard of notability than music albums or television episodes? We don't require other articles to be as notable as the "I Have a Dream" speech in order to justify their existence. Neelix (talk) 20:32, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete: We don't need articles on every Obama speech p  b  p  20:48, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Neelix (talk) 20:49, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete every presidential speech receives WP:ROUTINE coverage, that does not mean every speech is notable. No indication that this is of any lasting importance as compared to any other speech. ?Possible List of Speeches by President Barack Obama article with a brief summary of each speech though. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:56, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the recommendation. I have created such an article at Speeches of Barack Obama. It makes a lot more sense to me to merge there rather than delete; I don't see that anyone has presented a reason against merging. Neelix (talk) 01:19, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * "Speeches of Barack Obama" is fine, but so far that is a list of legitimately notable speeches that contain a link to their standalone aticle plus a short summary on the new one. If this AfD winds up as delete, it will not be remaining there. Politicians give hundreds of speeches a year, we cannot be a humongous compendium of all of them. Tarc (talk) 01:36, 4 December 2012 (UTC)
 * The barrier for notability for inclusion as content within an article is much lower than a standalone article. Every entry in such a list does not need to be individually notable, which is explicitly covered as a possibility in the list selection criteria. Gaijin42 (talk) 00:54, 5 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - As others have noted, routine coverage of a speech, there is nothing significant or impactful here. pretty sure there are other Obama speech AfDs over the past few years that wound up as delete as well, will have to look. Tarc (talk) 21:09, 3 December e2012 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 22:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete: Per WP:Run of the mill. Any presidential speech receives routine press coverage. No indication that this one is of any lasting significance. Newsworthiness is not notability. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 00:24, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete As stated above, run of the mill. The President makes speeches all the time.  Automatic Strikeout  ( T •  C ) 22:58, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Although I agree that this speech has not been shown to be notable as a speech, and thus not an appropriate separate topic, I also think it would be appropriate to include some content about the speech, as a clear statement on current U.S. policy on the topic, in the existing article Human trafficking in the United States. So, merge. --Arxiloxos (talk) 01:53, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep, sources indicate notability. Everyking (talk) 17:15, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Redirect somewhere.  Clinton_Foundation, Speeches of Barack Obama, Barack Obama are all possible choices.  Merge if appropriate. Sheesh, its just one speech.    Th e S te ve   05:38, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * If the article is to be merged, Speeches of Barack Obama would be the most appropriate target. Neelix (talk) 20:10, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:46, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
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