Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barangay Ginebra San Miguel all-time roster


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Essentially, nobody except the nominator wants to delete the article. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:11, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Barangay Ginebra San Miguel all-time roster

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Non-notable list of Philippine Basketball Association players that is almost entirely unsourced, and rife with red links and potentially dubious information. At the very least, I would argue that the page should be gutted to be verifiable, but I think deletion might be the better way to go about it. fuzzy510 (talk) 18:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Basketball,  and Philippines. fuzzy510 (talk) 18:50, 21 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Hello! I can add sources for the players and most info. I think this page is vital for Ginebra fans because this is the only place that lists all the players for Ginebra in its 40 year plus history. It would be hard if someone had to recreate this page again because all PBA teams have all-time PBA rosters Wikipedia pages. So let me try to put some updates and make this page look better. D-Flo27 (talk) 03:42, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star   Mississippi  02:14, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Keep: With the new sources added, and the fact that Barangay Ginebra San Miguel is culturally significant to the Philippines as a major basketball team, the article is probably fine enough to keep for now, although I would prefer everything to be fully sourced, and maybe remove some of the less reliable player names without sources. Though good work to the guy that added sources, that list is long, keep it up, fellow Wikipedian!.RandomDwarfEnthusiast (talk) 12:49, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Most of the unsourced players I left played before the late 2000s, so sources for those would be much harder to find, since most PBA info before the late 2000s has not been digitized yet, or compiled into a digital database. I would have to look for news articles that they joined the team, left the team, and other basic info. So yeah, thanks for keeping the page. D-Flo27 (talk) 13:45, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Easy keep. Barangay Ginebra San Miguel is easily the most popular team in the Philippine Basketball Association, still the most popular sports league in a country of 110 million people. This is analogous to deleting List of Manchester United F.C. players, which will never be approached by a deletion discussion such as this. Howard the Duck (talk) 16:58, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I understand the cultural significance of the team in the Philippines, but comparing this list to a featured list of players who all have established notability for playing for one of the most prominent sports teams in the world? It's apples and oranges. And as it is, there's been very little citation added beyond adding entries from RealGM, which runs afoul of the first point of WP:SPORTBASIC. -fuzzy510 (talk) 18:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I wish sourcing this is as easy as linking to a BBC Sport or ESPN team profile, but, hey this is the Philippines and nobody has the money to do that. Howard the Duck (talk) 19:34, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with Howard the Duck's point. No one has the resources or the time to make a Philippine site like basketball-reference.com, not even the league itself, where it would be much easier to cite. The official PBA website itself only records players who are currently playing in the PBA, meaning it doesn't have records on players from earlier eras. As for the only one source, if you look at the Chicago Bulls all-time roster, for example, the only source there is from basketball-reference.com. And RealGM is as reliable as basketball-reference. D-Flo27 (talk) 06:07, 1 June 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.