Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbara Matynia-Łyżwińska


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The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  12:24, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Barbara Matynia-Łyżwińska

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I could not find any significant coverage or major accomplishments in searches. Seems like a regular architect in all honestly. TheGracefulSlick (talk) 18:36, 4 September 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep: Women of her generation with a career where she apparently won awards for her work (Gold Medal of the SARP) makes me suspect that most source material is going to be non-digital and in Polish.  I found a couple other obituaries that mirror what's in the article already, plus this.   Montanabw (talk) 03:49, 7 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I cannot find any sources, the only one is the cited page of the Polish Architectural Society which did award her a Golden Medal for her work, but it is a very niche award with no coverage outside said organization. Pl wiki uses only one source, an obituary sponsored by the said Society. It does not seem like she reached the level of recognition to be included in an encyclopedia. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:45, 8 September 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:47, 11 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete, basically per Piotrus. There appears to be an almost complete dearth of coverage in Polish sources, except for the death notice from the  Polish Architectural Society cited in the article. Even making allowances for the fact that she lived mainly before the digital age (although she died in 2010), for someone genuinely notable I would have expected to find more. Nsk92 (talk) 03:27, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep I find more -> see p. 30-32 Electron (talk) 06:50, 12 September 2016 (UTC)
 * This is certainly a valid source but I am still not convinced. From the title of the source it appears to be a parish magazine published by the Parish of the Nativity in Komorow (perhaps some Polish speakers can either confirm or correct this supposition). For someone genuinely notable I would expect a lot more coverage, both more instances of in-depth coverage from non-obscure sources, and at least a sprinkling of brief mentions here and there in a variety of types of independent WP:RS. I am just not seeing that here. Nsk92 (talk) 17:03, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I read Polish fluently and can confirm that this is a parish magazine. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:08, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Also it does not talk about her architect career, focusing on her hobby as an ameteur painter. It mentions she had her work shown in few galleries/museums, but I do not believe this one source is sufficient for WP:ARTIST. --Hanyangprofessor2 (talk) 02:11, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * The source says also that her paintings have participated in over 30 collective exhibitions and 3 individual in the country and abroad (including the Royal Baths Park in Warsaw and in the library at the Royal Castle in Warsaw, in the Polish capital). Electron (talk) 07:32, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  16:17, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I note that the gold medal does not appear to be the highest award given by SARP. At least I can't find a list of winners on that organisation's web site, but it does list recipients of its honorary award, implying that that is a higher award. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:12, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I have been unable to find any coverage in reliable sources, and, per the above, the gold medal doesn't seem to be major enough to imply notability. I don't think that a parish magazine, even though probably perfectly worthy as a publication, has a reputation for fact-checking as required to be considered an independent reliable source. The "obituary" is clearly a paid death notice, in a similar format to those routinely posted on notice boards for everyone in Poland who dies, rather than an independently written obituary. I note that there is also a deletion discussion at Polish Wikipedia, so those of us who read Polish can monitor that to see if anyone comes up with some better sources. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 18:29, 18 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I add the info about her art activity. Correct it, please if there are spelling mistakes. Electron (talk) 09:09, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't see any spelling mistakes. If you want to beat yourself up about your English then I think that there might be one misplaced comma, but I'm sure I would make far more mistakes if I tried to write in Polish. I can converse in Polish and read it but writing to the standard of your written English is beyond me. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 20:14, 19 September 2016 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for checking. I edit here rarely, so I can make mistakes... Electron (talk) 20:52, 19 September 2016 (UTC)


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