Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbara Radulović


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The result was   keep. (weak) (non-admin closure) m o ɳ o  00:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

Barbara Radulović

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She is a local minor celebrity, there is as yet no real encyclopedic value in giving her an article. Yes, she gained some prominence in a local reality show, and I see her almost every night in a prime-time Zagrebačka banka commercial on HRT, and yes, some random group of Index.hr viewers called her the prettiest Croatian at some point, but that still isn't notable for English Wikipedia, IMHO. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 12:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions. Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 12:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. Agree with the nom, generally speaking. WP:GNG argument could still be made, but only just. GregorB (talk) 13:38, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep Barbara Radulović seems to be a well known Croatian TV personality and celebrity, there is plenty of coverage in reliable Croatian media: nacional.hr, dalje.com, tportal.hr, nacional.hr, net.hr etc. In my opinion, this person meets our criteria for inclusion. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 13:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment To be honest, I don't like this kind of so-called local "stars", however, Wikipedia doesn't work according to my tastes and opinions, it should cover all important topics, events and people in the world. The fact, that I don't like something doesn't mean that it isn't worthy of mention. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 13:56, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * But I actually like her. :) It's just that she doesn't seem to have done anything that would be relevant to an encyclopedia, even a liberal one like Wikipedia. Sure, the press follows her around and writes about her, even reliable sources in the press can cover her occasionally, but is there any worthwhile content other than stuff that boils down to advertizing? --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 14:15, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Look at Paris Hilton, Joy. Is there any worthwhile content? Those articles should be kept as monuments of vanity of today's world :) I'm oversimplifying here. I'm aware of it. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 14:30, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Paris Hilton surely meets WP:GNG and WP:MUSIC. Ultimately this is (or should be) a matter of policy (i.e. its interpretation) rather than personal preference. I'm myself barely aware of Barbara's existence - it's simply that sporadic media coverage of her does not add up. Which is a judgment call, I freely admit. GregorB (talk) 14:45, 4 May 2010 (UTC)


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 * ' Delete ', only because as the article stands now it is a violation; a word for word translation from the source provided under "external links" (* Croatian stars website). If someone creates a well-written wikified article I have no problem changing to keep. Thanks. Turqoise127 (talk) 20:25, 4 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Changing vote to weak keep as I promised per Milowent's adjustments and numerous added sources. "weak" keep because there is some validity to Joy's comment below. Turqoise127 (talk) 15:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reassessing. Clearly more notable than our favorite Croatian translator, I'd submit.--Milowent (talk) 02:55, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Without a doubt. Also good looking, unlike that ugly mug. My initial delete was only because it was a word for word copyright violation, you know very well I prefer inclusion of knowledge into the project. Turqoise127 (talk) 22:14, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Who is this translator person you are talking about? --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 09:45, 7 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Kresimir Chris Kunej, an article Turqoise127 has labored over.--Milowent (talk) 15:48, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep:  I added some cites to the article and edited the text a bit.  Vjesnik and Novi List are major Croatian papers.  Nacional is a newsweekly.  She is also covered regularly in other tabloid Croatian papers like 24 sata.  I can't say where she falls in the hierachy of Croatian celebrities, but she certainly has enough coverage for inclusion.--Milowent (talk) 05:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The way I read the intent of Notability is that if someone's occupation is to make promotional appearances in the media, to promote themselves or some media event that they are a part of, then the coverage of that in itself cannot be a sufficient proof of notability. I mean, I'd have the same issue with e.g. Oliver Mlakar, had he not have had an overwhelming popularity locally and at least some international exposure. If we accept an individual article about Barbara Radulović, then we have to accept individual articles about practically all Croatian news media personalities, and that would lead to a lot of, well, fodder. --Joy &#91;shallot&#93; (talk) 09:43, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
 * If they have gobs of news coverage like this person, i have no problem with them having articles. If they are just a newshost or journalist who is not ever written about themselves, that is one thing.  We have thousands of articles on people who have not had 1/10th the news coverage of this person.  I see no benefit to the project to be had by deletion.--Milowent (talk) 02:54, 6 May 2010 (UTC)


 * Keep - she is "famous for being famous," and we have kept dozens of such articles as being notable persons. Deletion of this would be another horrible precedent. Bearian (talk) 22:29, 6 May 2010 (UTC)
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