Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbara Warner


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was NO CONSENSUS. &mdash; J I P  | Talk 17:37, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Barbara Warner
I submit that this person's middling past success as a political candidate and current aspirations do not rise to the level of encyclopedic, no matter who her father was.

Also, the link to her campagin page suggests to me that this is being set up for promotional purposes, and my first attempt to put this up there was removed, strongly suggesting someone knows I'm right .Daniel Case 04:28, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Checking the page's history it's evident that your statement that your "first attempt to put this up there was removed" is false. More likely there was a problem with your cache. Perhaps, in future, you should actually make sure that your accusations are correct before you make them?

I suggest you address the article on its own merits or lack thereof rather than attack editors and impugn their motives. My motivation for adding the article is that I read on a discussion board that she was running for the NDP nomination in Toronto Danforth (an important nomination as the riding is currently held by the NDP). Therefore, this makes her notable, at least for the moment (particularly as there are no other candidates for the nomination, at least none that I know of. Therefore: Keep. Homey 04:51, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * I apologize for the error and any mistaken impression it might have left, but still on its merits go for delete.Daniel Case 05:54, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete -- There's nothing notable here. If she doesn't win the nomination, or does win the nomination but fails to win the seat, then there would really be no point in having this article -- to me, that just proves that this article is premature until this woman has actually been elected to something.  Skeezix1000 12:01, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * This afd nomination was orphaned. Listing now. &mdash;Crypticbot (operator) 15:57, 18 November 2005 (UTC)


 * Delete until she wins a seat.


 * Delete. Political candidates are not notable in themselves unless they have another claim to fame. Ms Warner doesn't appear to have other claims to fame or notability. Capitalistroadster 18:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Accordingly, I really don't see how this could be kept at the present time. Delete, albeit without prejudice against recreation if future events warrant. Bearcat 20:07, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * There is some disagreement on Wikipedia about how to handle politicians — some take the view that a person isn't notable unless and until they win, while others believe that balance requires permitting articles for every individual who stood as a candidate. In this case, however, the facts as we have them are:
 * 1) Inasmuch as it's looking like the federal election is imminent, it hasn't actually been called yet, and by extension the byelection to replace Marilyn Churley hasn't been called yet since it's conditional on the date of Churley's resignation.
 * 2) Warner is the only declared candidate for the NDP nomination to date; this doesn't necessarily imply that she's guaranteed to be the NDP candidate on the byelection ballot, as the actual nomination meeting isn't going to happen until after the byelection is called, which also leaves time for other candidates to throw their hats in the ring.
 * 3) Any number of things could happen between now and the election. Churley could change her mind; the whole thing could be postponed by some last-minute deal; etc.
 * Possible compromise: once she wins the nomination (as she almost certainly will), create a "candidates in by-elections" section on the New Democratic Party candidates, 2003 Ontario provincial election page, and move her bio there. If she wins the seat, return the bio to a separate page.  CJCurrie 22:39, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, major party candidates, especially ones that have a good chance of winning, are verifiable and of interest to readers. - SimonP 22:50, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, also strong object to "unless wins" criteria. While there are certainly non notable candidates, there are also candidates who are notable even if they do not win. Stirling Newberry 03:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that there are nomination candidates who are notable prior to the nomination vote. But what is it about Barbara Warner that makes you think that she is notable?  I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I am genuinely interested, especially in light of Bearcat's comments on the disagreement on Wikipedia about how to handle politicians.  Most of the article as it stands now is about Marilyn Churley's federal candidacy and how she would have to resign her provincial seat once the federal writ was dropped.  If Barbara Warner merits an article, then if I declared that I was seeking a major party nomination in my riding, would I also merit an article?  Skeezix1000 14:27, 21 November 2005 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.