Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barbari dialect


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The result was delete.  Sandstein  09:00, 3 December 2018 (UTC)

Barbari dialect

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"Barbari", or "Berbari", is the name of an ethnic group, presumably belonging to (or descended from) the Aimaq people. However, there doesn't appear to be any language or dialect with this name: the article's only source states that the Barbari speak Dari dialects. We can't rule out that they might have a distinctive dialect, but there don't appear to be any sources about that in the usual places. – Uanfala (talk) 00:37, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * . What is the problem with the source already in the article? It's not available in full view so I can't read what it says, but snippet says there is a hit for the the exact term in the text. SpinningSpark 21:15, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The exact term is used only as a demonym. As far as I could see, the only information about the Barbari's language in this source is that they speak Dari dialects. – Uanfala (talk) 21:23, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * How can "Barbari dialect" be a demonym? That doesn't make sense. What exactly does the source say.  Sure, the visible snippet is "Barbari" used as a demonym, but that doesn't prove that's all they say.  If that's your basis for nomination, then I'm at keep per WP:BEFORE failure and WP:AGF on the source.  Plus this, while hardly a reliable source itself, says the term with that meaning has an entry in Dehkhoda Dictionary which surely must be RS.  I'll AGF on that one as well pending a Persian speaker looking it up. SpinningSpark 22:55, 18 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, you mean that google books says there's a mention of the exact phrase "Barbari dialect" in the source? Well, yes, it apparently does, but no, there isn't. The page with the "hit" is 31 and the only relevant content there is this: "Those [Aimaq] separate and living in Iran are called 'Barbari' or 'Berbari'. They speak Dari dialects with a mixture of Turkic vocabulary." This is in the middle of a paragraph that gives a brief overview of the Aimaq, part of a few pages long enumeration of the ethnicities of Afghanistan. Page 31 doesn't say anything else about the language of the Aimaq. I haven't checked the rest of the book (its index doesn't have an entry for either "Barbari" or "Aimaq"), but given the topics of the papers there, it appears unlikely that there might be another mention elsewhere (and after all, it was p. 31 that was cited in our article). As for BEFORE: I've only checked google scholar and google books for stuff in English (couldn't find any), and I've skimmed through the pages of Encyclopedia Iranica that mention "Barbari" (couldn't find any suggestion that there was a language with this name). I've checked glottolog's entry for the Aimaq dialect, and there "Barbari" is given as an alternative name (sourced to multitree). Now if this were to be trusted completely, I would have simply redirected the article to Aimaq dialect sparing everyone the fuss of an AfD, but multitree is not a reliable source for dialect names. We can't redirect, because we aren't certain of the equivalence between the two, but we can't keep the article as it is because its content is contradicted by its source. I don't know anything about Persian dialects, and I haven't checked for sources in languages other than English, but maybe somebody will? – Uanfala (talk) 22:52, 19 November 2018 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I read your post as meaning you had only read this snippet. I have struck my keep !vote as now I have no evidence of existence, let alone notability. SpinningSpark</b> 18:27, 20 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:23, 26 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. There is no dialect with this name, and the ethnic group(s) speaks multiple dialects, so redirect is not appropriate. Cnilep (talk) 01:40, 2 December 2018 (UTC)


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