Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barnard Women Poets Prize


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The result was   keep. postdlf (talk) 22:12, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Barnard Women Poets Prize

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article claims this is a major prize but don't see any mainstream coverage. The fact that it was downgraded to bi annual awards and awards a mere $1500 does not make it major. LibStar (talk) 12:11, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
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 * Keep -- it does draw major poets as judges.  Should try to source and expand.... DontWantAnAccount (talk) 13:00, 3 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 07:51, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar ♔  03:36, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Weak keep. Mentioned on Pen American page. . No other significant web coverage I can see, but a number of Google Book mentions suggest notability. I don't have time to investigate whether they are in passing or not, but at least they seem numerous (100+). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:21, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Delete per lack of substantial coverage in reliable independent sources. Smallish prize. Notable judges is not enough. Candleabracadabra (talk) 21:26, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Revising to Weak Keep per some evidence of significance even though there is essentially no coverage in reliable independent sources. Candleabracadabra (talk) 00:30, 16 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep. Poetry prizes are not an easy category to fit into notability standards because the world of poetry is so insular and nonremunerative (I would suggest that $1500 is actually not such a bad amount given the world in which poets operate) and there are a lot of awards; and yet I don't think it benefits our encyclopedia—or the broader cause of literacy—to impose particularly tough standards on legitimate awards.  Operating under that philosophy, I find it relevant that (1) this prize is often noted as a significant credential in biographical sketches of poets who've won it (see e.g. ); (2) the creation of the second version of this award was covered (albeit concisely) in The New York Times ; and (3) a 2000 Chicago Review essay criticizing the perceived plethora of poetry awards says this: "There are first-book awards of notable integrity, derived mostly from a judicious selection of judges. Though its winners occasionally leave me cold, the Yale Series of Younger Poets competition has an impressive track record. More recently, the Barnard New Women Poets Prize has proved exciting: in 1997 Brenda Hillman chose Larissa Szporluk's Dark Sky Question, in 1998 Lyn Hejinian chose Jena Osman's The Character, and last year Heather McHugh selected Christine Hume's Musca Domestica. In such cases, first-book competitions can function as a barometer of interesting new writing." --Arxiloxos (talk) 23:45, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * "this prize is often noted as a significant credential in biographical sketches of poets who've won it". they are all one line mentions, and biographical sketches are not sources which cover this prize as the subject. I don't see this really adding to notability. if there is significant coverage where this prize is the actual subject of sources then that would establish notability. LibStar (talk) 23:55, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Question Is the prize now every other year? Also, it notes a second prize for a poet's seond book intiated in 2003. As that a different prize or what this one became? Where are those winners? I find the article confusing. I also don't understand the responsible for 16 debut books part. What does that part mean? I may have mucked it up so perhaps view the original way it was written in the history, but I couldn't make heads or tails of it. Candleabracadabra (talk) 00:54, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I've made some edits and I hope it's clearer now. This was originally the Barnard New Women Poets Prize, a prize for a first book. The winner had their book published under the auspices of the award; there were 16 of those from 1986 to 2001.  As the 2003 New York Times article reported, in that year they decided to drop the "New" from the award name and make it a prize for a second book.  Since 2007 the prize has been awarded every other year; the "Women Poets" page at barnard.edu lists the winners up to 2009 ; there are separate pages for the two most recent winners. .  The judges make up a pretty impressive group: Louise Glück, Carolyn Forché, Joy Harjo, Joyce Carol Oates, Adrienne Rich, etc. --Arxiloxos (talk) 01:27, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Getting clearer. Can the table be sectioned with titles of the original and more recent prize titles? One table seems to suggest a continuity that is not accurate since the name and scope of the prize changed significantly (if I understand correctly). Candleabracadabra (talk) 01:29, 16 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Keep, (ec) (ec) especially per LibStar above. $1500 is indeed actually significant relatively for dollar values associated with poetry prizes methinks, and there are smaller dollar amount awards that are really quite prestigious, where the importance is not measured in dollars, by gove.  And if it is now biannual, then it must be even harder now to receive this award, it is ever rarer and must be going up in overall value, yes, love.  :)  -- do  ncr  am  01:30, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * "And if it is now biannual, then it must be even harder now to receive this award, it is ever rarer and must be going up in overall value" maybe it's biannual because of a lack of funding and resourcing to coordinate the awards, something isn't necessarily more notable because it's less frequent. LibStar (talk) 02:42, 16 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Comment. Note the article contains a list of numerous winners of the Barnard Women Poets Prize, about 20 of them individually notable (having Wikipedia articles), and would be valid as a list-article alone.  It would not help to delete this article only to have a valid, separate list-article created as a valid complement (per wp:CLT) to the sensible category of same.  I !voted Keep already. -- do  ncr  am  14:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
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