Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barnet Borough Arts Council


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. This has a clear consensus to get rid of the article, but no clear consensus on whether to preserve some of the content in other articles given the split headcount and counterarguments by e.g AllyD. So this is a delete, but I'll be asking for comments at WT:AFD on how to proceed in cases like these. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:13, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Barnet Borough Arts Council

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No evidence of passing WP:NORG/GNG. BEFORE does not show any in-depth coverage, few mentions in passing at most. No referenced content to merge. No good redirect target (it is not mentioned in any other article outside of a 'see also'), so it fails WP:R. Specifically I don't think London Borough of Barnet would make a good redirect target, per cited R#PLA. Articles on cities or similar administrative divisions don't usually list random NGOs or other businesses that are located within their bounds. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:24, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  12:24, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 12:52, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Merge with London Borough of Barnet, another WP:POINTy AfD after a shot down PROD. The Banner  talk 18:02, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Please stop copypasting generic and WP:NPA-violating comments to various AfDS. I specifically address why a merge to LBoB is not a good idea. Did you read the op? If so, please address this argument directly. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 11:13, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You better tone down a bit, my friend. Too many of your deletion-nominations are based on faulty WP:BEFOREs. And your sequences of shot down PRODS followed up by an AfD or RfD are not really productive. The Banner  talk 14:05, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge to London Borough of Barnet. Definitely a failure of WP:BEFORE here as merging is trivially obvious. Thryduulf (talk) 01:02, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Which section of the article do you want to merge it to, or how would you title the newly created one? Also, there is no referenced content to merge. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:28, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * A new section called "Barnet Borough Arts Council". A 1 minute (literally) look at the official website (link helpfully provided in the article) suggests that everything in the article is going to be trivially verifiable - which you would have known if you'd done a proper WP:BEFORE check. Thryduulf (talk) 02:37, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The key issue you don't address is why the article on a local administrative district should have a section about one of many NGOs located with in. Pages about administrative divisions are not local YELLOWPAGES. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:51, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - certainly delete this one, unless we want to grow as a "directory/phone book". GizzyCatBella  🍁  05:53, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Merge with London Borough of Barnet. Unclear why this was prodded or AfDd when there is "merge to". gidonb (talk) 01:45, 17 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment. Closing admin is advised to note that merge votes ignore, despite repeated requests, my explanation why the merge is not a valid solution. WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT needs to be taken into the account. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 03:38, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, xinbenlv  Talk, Remember to "ping" me 05:42, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete: I do not see the substantial coverage which could demonstrate this umbrella organisation of local groups meets WP:NORG in itself. As to whether there is a suitable merge target, if there was a broader article on the arts in the area, then this organisation might be mentioned there, as could other initiatives such as the Cultural Education Partnership. However my view is that London Borough of Barnet is an unsuitable target, primarily because this organisation appears too distant from the council (quoting from this organisation's website: "We do not receive any regular revenue from the Borough of Barnet, but receive occasional grants for special projects, either from the Borough, Trusts, or the National Lottery." ); adding a "Barnet Borough Arts Council" section to London Borough of Barnet as was suggested above would seem WP:UNDUE, especially relative to other initiatives such as the Cultural Education Partnership (which I notice does not appear to mention this BBAC). AllyD (talk) 08:41, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


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