Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barry J. Gillis


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The result was delete. T. Canens (talk) 06:42, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

Barry J. Gillis

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This looks like an autobiography. It's been repeatedly placed in article space and repeatedly moved back to draft (once by me). The article creator seems determined to let it take its chance in mainspace, so it seems to be time to try to determine whether this person is sufficiently notable to have a page here. I don't think so: he gets a few hits on GNews, on sites such as DreadCentral and DarkVeins; and two verifiable hits on GBooks. Nowhere do I see the sort of in-depth coverage in reliable sources that would justify having a page about him, or indeed enable us to write one. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 21:57, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:00, 2 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:06, 2 June 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep. I think that the references in the article and the other ones that have been found add up to notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 22:23, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

*Keep These were actual mistakes in trying to get the page up, and trying to get it into and out of draft, by no means was there an attempt to break any rules. I actually thought, I was following the proper process, so my apologies for this Justlettersandnumbers. It seems this is your main criteria to get rid of the Article. This Article is backed up by many verifiable sources, such as Yahoo News, Maxim magazine, and other sources that are all verifiable. The article also has connections to verifiable Wiki pages that already exist, as well as the Internet Movie Data Base. Not to mention that the subject matter contains World Renowned people, including Bret Hart, and Corey Feldman, that are involved with the subjects latest movie. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barryjedmonton (talk • contribs) 22:50, 2 June 2019 (UTC) — Barryjedmonton (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. No such user; talk page for this username redirects to Donairpizza9999. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:14, 10 June 2019 (UTC) *Note. A previous (grouped) deletion discussion ended in delete at Articles for deletion/THINGS (1989) in 2009. I draftified a version of this despite the AfD because the subject's notability might well have increased in that interval. The creating editor has changed their user name after being asked whether they were connected with the subject. Espresso Addict (talk) 10:31, 3 June 2019 (UTC) I use paulstanleynewyork, I use genesimmonsnewyork, as KISS is another one of my favorite bands. I use a few usernames around the net, for all kinds of things that I am a fan of. So, I find this not to be fair, that anybody here, would think that I am connected, or know Barry J Gillis personally, although I have reached out to him as a fan. I admire his work, and what he does, and this would be quite a shame, if the page was squashed, because a fan of the artist, took up a nickname that was similar to the artists name. Especially when I believe he is deserving of a Wiki page, and the page fits the definition of Wikipedia's Notability Rules. --Donairpizza9999 (talk) 14:03, 3 June 2019 (UTC) (Blocked for sockpuppetry. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:07, 10 June 2019 (UTC))
 * Keep This article is notable and credible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elohor20 (talk • contribs) 05:13, 3 June 2019 (UTC)  — Elohor20 (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
 * Note The reason the name change was put in, was because, that I am a big fan of his, and my username appears, as if I am connected with him, but I am not, and I did not want this to be any reason in determining the fate of a page about him. His first movie THINGS is my favorite film of all time, and I follow, and keep up with everything he does, since discovering the film over 22 years ago. His other films, I am not as fond of as THINGS, as nothing can compare to THINGS, and how the movie has changed my life. However, I still love his other films. I have copies of 2 other films he has made, and I am currently waiting for 2 more of his films to be released, so I can get my hands on the films. I am not connected with the subject in anyway, although I have met him on 2 separate occasions, at two theatrical Screenings of THINGS. I have also corresponded with him by e-mail about 7 years ago, and he answered many unanswered questions, I had about THINGS. He was nice to me, and took the time to correspond with me. I started the THINGS page, because the movie is notorious, and has a cult following of fans, (like myself) and is written about extensively in film books, and all across the internet, and a couple of years a few years ago, even got released in Japan. I felt that THINGS, being my favorite movie was deserving of a Wikipedia page. So that is why I started the article. If I was connected with him in anyway, I would have declared that I was connected with him, and I believe that it is not fair, if a fan takes up a similar user name of who he is a fan of, and then the subject gets blamed for being connected with the filmmaker, or even being the filmmaker himself, and this is seen as a strike against the person I am a huge fan of, so that is why I did change the name. It would be no different (as just an example) if my username was robertplantengland, and I was making a page about Led Zepplin, and was asked to declare if I was connected with Robert Plant, of Led Zeppelin, and changed the user name, because I did not want Wiki to think that I was connected with him, and affect a page about him. I use usernames that are similar to many things I am fans of. For instance, the Band WASP, I use Blackielawlesstexas, (Blackie Lawless is the Leader of the band WASP) Blackie sang alot about Texas in his songs. So on some sites I sign up too, I use that name. On other Sites, I use barryjedmonton, as the director lives in Edmonton, and I am a fan of his work. I use Metallicausa, (Metallica, being another of my favorite bands)

*keep I know Donairpizza9999 for a couple of years, as I am his room mate. I am not sure if my keep, has any weight or not in this, but I will say, I did say, I would help out, and do some research, on the director, and I will say, I found information, and links that he has been in the National Post in Canada, and CTV, News, CBC News, and other Canadian Newspapers, and TV. I added a few of them to the Article. I am in no way a fan of this filmmaker myself, as I don't like these kinds of movies, however I have to say that this is deserving of being on Wikipedia. I have seen many pages in the past, that don't have anywhere near the amount of backup or sources, that this director has. That's my two cents on this. Thank You. --Jasminhhhh (talk) 15:41, 3 June 2019 (UTC) — Jasminhhhh (talk&#32;• contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Blocked user. -- MelanieN (talk) 00:10, 10 June 2019 (UTC)

*Note I found this post by MichaelQSchmidt, and I believe that it is a very significant post, when concerning this Wiki Page. "I did find that WP:RS instructs reliable sources are from authors "generally regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand", and "How reliable a source is depends on context". Guideline does not mandate that Wall Street Journal or Forbes review independent horror films, nor does it mandate that Film Threat, Fangoria, or Rue Morgue report on Barrack Obama. Horror genre experts reporting on a horror-genre subject quite specifically follow guideline."--Jasminhhhh (talk) 00:36, 4 June 2019 (UTC) I believe that MichaelQSchmidt's Post, sums up why, Barry J. Gillis, should be included in Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jasminhhhh (talk • contribs) 00:33, 4 June 2019 (UTC) Blocked user -- MelanieN (talk) 00:10, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if somebody without a conflict of interest can do better than this. What I'm getting from the sourcing is not strong evidence of notability-supporting coverage about him, but a cluster reference bomb of mostly primary sources and glancing namechecks of his existence; what I'm getting from the writing tone is "semi-advertorial attempt at self-promotion" rather than "encyclopedia article"; and what I'm getting from this discussion is that all but one of the keep votes above have come from single-purpose accounts with little to no prior edit history, including the article creator, the article creator's roommate and the article subject himself — but all of the comments, either above or on the article's talk page, which are signed "Barryjedmonton" were posted by Donairpizza, not by a user who is actually registered as "Barryjedmonton", so Donairpizza's claim to be unaffiliated with Barry Gillis is very obviously false. There are potentially valid notability claims here, but this is mostly not the referencing that turns a notability claim into a notability slam-dunk — and even if he does have a valid notability claim, the article still has to be written neutrally by somebody without a conflict of interest. We are not a place where Barry Gillis is entitled to write about himself for PR purposes, whether directly or by paying somebody to do it for him — we're an encyclopedia, where the content has to be written neutrally and independently by people who don't have a vested interest. Bearcat (talk) 13:31, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Speedy Delete - How many roommates do you have?!? A quick review of the contributions of these editors User:Jasminhhhh / User:Elohor20 / User:barryjedmonton / User:Americanmoviecritic / User:Vortexxxx / User:Donairpizza9999 / ... tells me not to waste my time.  Anything authored by this series of WP:SOCKPUPPETs needs WP:TNT.  Orville1974  (talk) 05:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I felt negatively toward it in agreement with the non-sockpuppet editors' comments above, but it is hard to see the wood for the trees in an article with so much crap prose and poor sources. So I have cleaned it up substantially. I could go further and remove the remaining presumably non-reliable sources. That would leave the sources of books that are supposed to mention him, and reliable web sites that are all about the single issue at the film festival. I haven't made a decision as to my vote yet. -Lopifalko (talk) 12:19, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Comment I have removed the remaining non-reliable sources. Notability may rest on to what extent Gillis is mentioned in these books that are used as sources: They Came from Within: A History of Canadian Horror Cinema, The Psychotronic Video Guide To Film, and Cinema Sewer Volume 1: The Adults Only Guide to History's Sickest and Sexiest Movies!. Is it just a passing mention or is it significant? Considering there are so many fans of the man voting here, perhaps they have access to these books and can let us know? -Lopifalko (talk) 06:25, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Merge: Bill Zebub is the King of the B Movies! -- Shyam Has Your Anomaly Mitigated (talk) 02:05, 10 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak delete assuming the mention in the 3 book sources is a trivial mention; given that the mention in the 4 reliable sources regarding the film festival advertisement are not sustained coverage of him and are concerned with a single event (and the National Post article is a copy and paste of the CTV News article); and the 3 remaining sources don't add up to enough to satisfy WP:FILMMAKER. However I stripped this article back to its constituent parts and it should be available should anyone else wish to pick it up and add to it if new material comes to light. -Lopifalko (talk) 05:16, 10 June 2019 (UTC)


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