Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barry Johnston (footballer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. Subject most likely fails WP:ATHLETE as it's currently written but there is a weak consensus that he passes WP:GNG. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:52, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Barry Johnston (footballer)

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Fails WP:ATH as Irish league isn't fully professional Steve-Ho (talk) 19:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. Steve-Ho (talk) 04:49, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. He will be mentioned in numerous secondary sources - football reports, articles, etc Mooretwin (talk) 09:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment, football reports and general articles fail WP:NTEMP. The sources need to be in depth about the player specifically. --Jimbo[online] 16:54, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:ATHLETE and WP:GNG. Mooretwin may mention "numerous secondary sources", but he has failed to provide any which are of substantial quality to meet general notability guidelines; what is there at the minute is nothing but run-of-the-mill match reports and transfer news - which fails WP:NTEMP. GiantSnowman 14:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment, you mean like Clancy McDermott? the mind bloggles!--Vintagekits (talk) 21:06, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The mind boggles indeed; I fail to see your point. GiantSnowman 21:11, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought you would - you and divs at the Footy Cabal and yer pick and mix approach to football notability.--Vintagekits (talk) 21:15, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Now now VK, remain civil please! GiantSnowman 21:23, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - I've had a second look at the article and I see he's won the IFA Cup; I suppose that's enough to give him sporting notablity. GiantSnowman 11:42, 8 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Question If you want to delete this one, shouldn't you also nominate the whole squad, all the others who haven't played for a pro club? Govvy (talk) 14:10, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Plays at the highest level in Irish soccer. BigDunc  16:04, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment - and where does WP:ATHLETE say that "highest level" football is enough? If that was the case, we should have articles on players from Monserrat, Vatican City, Somalia, Guam etc. GiantSnowman 16:27, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:ATHLETE is fundamentally flawed. BigDunc  16:30, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Says you...the wider WikiCommunity obviously disagrees, seeing as it remains a valid and standard guideline. GiantSnowman 16:40, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * As you say, Guideline not policy and it doesn't take into consideration players playing at the highest level of Irish soccer. Your argument above about teams from Somalia and Vatican City doesn't hold weight. BigDunc  16:45, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "Policy" and "guideline" is nothing but semantics - WP:ATHLETE says "This page documents an English Wikipedia notability guideline. It is a generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow." GiantSnowman 16:51, 7 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep, per WP:GNG see here and because he is playing in the top division in Ireland which is notable per Jason Molloy AfD.--Vintagekits (talk) 21:03, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Weak keep, the player will have received some notability from playing in the League of Ireland. The article needs to be improved, not deleted. Jmorrison230582 (talk) 11:29, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - The highest level of soccer in Ireland may not technically meet the "fully professional" criteria of WP:ATH, but I think Ireland is a lot closer to such criteria than it is to the leagues in "Monserrat, Vatican City, Somalia or Guam", and is close enough to warrant inclusion. Rlendog (talk) 14:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep has played at the highest level of football In Ireland. Eldumpo (talk) 12:51, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Here we go again the pedants at work. There are over 1300 LOI players. He is playing at the highest level in Ireland. Change your guidelines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.198.140.206 (talk) 16:50, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
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