Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barry L. Houser


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Joyous! | Talk 22:26, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Barry L. Houser

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Promotion for non notable individual. He lacks any notability independent of his organisation. He lacks coverage outside of university and local sources. Much of the article is puffed up padding, crediting him for things done by others. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:55, 9 November 2016 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment The University of Illinois Marching Illini is certainly notable enough for a page; the  has a place for "Director". Maybe just a section on the Marching Illini is justified, if not a whole article? --FuzzyGopher (talk) 21:28, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 03:28, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 03:53, 21 November 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 04:46, 25 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep There is now ample evidence that he has been well-covered in WP:RS. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 23:17, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Which reliable sources are you referring to? duffbeerforme (talk) 10:43, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep for now at least but reconsider later if needed, as I concur I questioned accepting this when it was at AfC, but I see no severely concerning matters here, but we can question it later if the time comes. SwisterTwister   talk  07:24, 5 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Why Keep? You have given no actual reason. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:43, 6 December 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep my search of Chicago Trib demonstrates regional notability.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:07, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * WP:GHITS. Your search shows no such thing. What very few hits there is are all director of the marching Illini. Nothing independent of them. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:14, 7 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Look at the material from The Plain Dealer and the Chicago Tribune that I just added to the article. There's more out there. the article is oversourced and the tone is PROMO; but he's a notable band director.E.M.Gregory (talk) 01:03, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * Plain Dealer. Very short mention about him pulling out of another job. Tribune. Article that was already used as a source, not about him, about the band, mentions him only in his role with the band, nothing independent of them. He's adequately covered in the bands article, no need for this extra promo piece. duffbeerforme (talk) 02:15, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * The time I turned down a job offer my refusal was NOT covered in the news pages of a major regional daily. I feel pretty bad about that, In fact, I feel pretty small whenever I contemplate the fact that I've NEVER  been offered a job conducting  the band at a Big Ten University.  I  try not to allow life's little disappointments to blind me to The fact that this was covered is an indication that the job offered Houser was a major big deal, ergo, the man plays on a level of notable that qualifies him for a page here.  WP:IDONTLIKEIT is not a valid argument.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:25, 8 December 2016 (UTC)
 * There is in-depth coverage like this in the The News-Gazette (Champaign-Urbana). A band's success is always credited, in large part, to the director.    He is obviously an outstanding band director.  But the stories about the band's success in major dailies outside the region often do more than merely name check Houser, and when they are about this band's excellence, they cumulatively validate the notability of the director.  Here are articles from the St. Louis Post-Dispatch  and a d=ifferent article form the Chicago Tribune  (I had not noticed that the one I added before was already in this overstuffed article) E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:41, 8 December 2016 (UTC)


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