Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Barry Laden


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was moved to Draft:Barry Laden. There is clear consensus for deletion, but it is also argued that coverage indicates a subject in the process of developing notability. The article is therefore moved to draft to allow for the possibility of additional sources being discovered or developed and added to the article. If the article goes without improvement for six months, it will be deleted as abandoned, in accordance with the general policy for articles in draft space. bd2412 T 22:28, 2 September 2018 (UTC)

Barry Laden

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I don't think this article demonstrates that the subject meets WP:GNG or WP:BIO. Coverage does not show a significant contribution. Tacyarg (talk) 23:25, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:51, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:51, 11 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Comment. Being a Member of the Order of the British Empire is a strong hint that's he's notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:53, 11 August 2018 (UTC) Partly because the MBE designation is itself notable, and partly because the MBE is most commonly given to people who have done notable good things. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 02:21, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I saw the MBE, but looking at earlier discussions the consensus seems to be that it does not automatically confer notability. Take your point about actions leading to MBE however. Tacyarg (talk) 09:10, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

I would therefore respectfully propose that (a) the article is not deleted and (b) anyone with further significant doubts review the page again in 12 months to see whether new Press linked to appropriate external references evidences a notable advancement in my relevance in the arts.(talk) 16.07, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment. While it is a little strange to see comments about oneself and notability in print, I thought I would make a comment that I hope is helpful in this discussion. Firstly, as a Liveryman of the Drapers' Company in London I was advised that I was the first member of the company in living memory to have been awarded the MBE for work specifically in our field. It is true that many recipients of the MBE are not notable, many recipients being in their older age as a recognition of a lifetime of work. However, in my case, I was just 45 years old when the business was only 11 years old. This in itself demonstrates that the Nomination's Committee must have decided on my notability and worth. The business itself, The Laden Showroom, which has now closed is NOT recommended for deletion so it seems strange that a personal page is proposed for deletion. As a polymath it could be interesting for readers to note that my artistic career is soon to take off and there is scheduled to be a significant amount of press, local and international around my London exhibition in September.

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment - On the one hand, self-promotional; on the other, MBE. I'm less than impressed with the sourcing... No opinion. Carrite (talk) 15:36, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Large feature in The News, Portsmouth today regarding art exhibition. Sources and external references mounting! (talk) 17.19, 14 August 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 05:49, 17 August 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 08:45, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete as unambiguous WP:AUTOBIO, with no prejudice against recreation by editor(s) who are unconnected to subject or who follow WP:COI guidelines. Bakazaka (talk) 23:38, 24 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment Note that above !vote to keep the article on Barry Laden is from user Barryladen. Bakazaka (talk) 03:00, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: sources are passing mentions and / or WP:SPIP. Promotionalism only on a nn individual. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:59, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom as failing notability guidelines for WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Ifnord (talk) 16:19, 1 September 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.