Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bartan Bagatur


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Yesugei. Liz Read! Talk! 07:15, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Bartan Bagatur

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The entire article consists of genealogical entries (failing WP:NOTGENEALOGY), with no independent claim of notability and even a suggestion of the contrary (historians and accountants mentioned him little in the sources of his bio-datas). Similarly, the article's sources only refer to the subject in the context of lineage (grandfather of Genghis Khan, or relation to another ancestor), and I found no additional sources that would suggest independent notability as required by guidelines. Complex / Rational 01:48, 29 August 2022 (UTC) Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 04:27, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: History and Mongolia.  Complex / Rational  01:48, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Royalty and nobility-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 07:12, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
 * Redirect somewhere rather than delete. I suspect the truth is that we know little of him, other than that he was a progenitor of Genghis Khan.  I have not investigated whether he should be the redirect target or whether there is a better one.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:39, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Redirect to Yesugei (and also maybe retarget Bartan Baghatur to the same), a search of both Google Scholar and JSTOR brought up no coverage more extensive than a passing mention. Searching Google Books led me to this book, which briefly conjectures that Yesugei inherited the title of Baghatur from Bartan, but again this is nothing more than a passing mention, and all other sources literally consist of just mentioning the man's name. Even if sources are uncovered and the article is kept, it should be renamed to Bartan Baghatur, since that is by far the more common spelling based on my search efforts. Devonian Wombat (talk) 11:43, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Support that redirect. This is a good solution.  Peterkingiron (talk) 18:49, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.