Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bashar Kiwan


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The result was   delete. Cirt (talk) 08:18, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Bashar Kiwan

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BLP lacking in the required multiple independent reliable sources giving nontrivial coverage indicating notability. Original prod was removed by the creator of this article an account that appears to be a SPA account here solely to write about this person. After the prod and tags asking for sources the only source that was added is to a site called "ArabAd" which suggests paid advertising/press releases a.k.a. something that would fail the requirement to be independent of the source. The site requires a subscription to even see it, so most people have no idea what it even says there. Even if this were to somehow turn out to be a source that meets our criteria, it's only one, and we need multiple ones to demonstrate notability. DreamGuy (talk) 23:07, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * delete - per noms description of the current "source" and in addition, the admittedly English language and western culture biased search of google news does not provide any sources for Kiwan, and the only results for his company AWI return the not related to Kiwan: Australian Wool Innovation. -- The Red Pen of Doom  23:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
 * from the press release site, it appears that the company name is "al Waseet International" - which also produces no sources on google news. -- The Red Pen of Doom  19:22, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:02, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 03:32, 31 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete Unsource, except for press releases. Hipocrite (talk) 20:12, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete. Niteshift36 (talk) 22:35, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Regarding his notability, here are some results from Google News in English:

Here are some results from Google France: Retfoc (talk) 08:23, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you point out specific articles from reliable publishers about the subject of this article? The ones I have been able to find about the subject of this article do not appear to be reliable sources and the hits in reliable sources are not about the subject of the article.-- The Red Pen of Doom  03:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Does this mention in Entrepeneur magazine (certainly a reliable publisher) count: Retfoc (talk) 06:54, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I was confused by the "[c] 2007 Al Bawaba (www.albawaba.com) " at the bottom of that listing - who/what is al bawaba? what is their relation to Entreprenuer that Entreprenuer prints their copyright content? what is the relationship between al bawaba and Bashar Kiwan? There were too many "unusualities" about the item for me to give it full credance as a reliable source. -- The Red Pen of Doom  07:12, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

It looks to me like it's a publication, and that Entrepeneur magazine picked up the article somehow. I agree it is strange, but after the preliminary research you have already done I'm fairly confident that you will agree that the individual is notable and worthy of mention in Wikipedia. The organization he leads employs over 6,000 individuals, and as you can see from this page they are rapidly expanding:. Here are two existing wikipedia articles that mention the Waseet newspaper: &.

Looking forward to your feedback.

Retfoc (talk) 19:45, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, until I have a better sense of who how and why this copyright material came into Entrepreneur, I am not willing to say that it is independant third party content which is accurate and fact checked. --  The Red Pen of Doom  04:09, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Does this help? From the bottom of the page:

COPYRIGHT 2007 Al Bawaba (Middle East) Ltd. Reproduced with permission of the copyright holder. Further reproduction or distribution is prohibited without permission. Copyright 2007, Gale Group. All rights reserved. Gale Group is a Thomson Corporation Company.

Basically it's been reproduced with permission.. Not sure who Gale Group/TCC are!

Also please see this article which mentions him receiving an award for excellence in advertising

Bye for nowRetfoc (talk) 16:29, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
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