Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Basil Terah Hooley


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The result was merge to Teresa Hooley. There's reaonable consensus here that keeping the article in its current condition would not be the right thing to do. Unfortunately, there's no clear agreement on an alternative. The redirect seems like a reasonable average of the various suggestions, but the redirect suggestion also included, a slight expansion of the mention of him there, so I'm really going to call this a merge. Whoever does the merge should go with the spirit of a slight expansion, i.e. don't just take all the existing text and plop it down in the new location. Rather, cherry-pick the most significant facts.

If somebody can come up with better sourcing, which would support a stand-alone article, no reason this can't be broken back out at a future time. -- RoySmith (talk) 16:57, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

Basil Terah Hooley

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Tricky situation here, where the article is in a completely deletable state but might be salvageable. This is a biography of a person which makes and sources no claim of notability in the text itself; as written, the entire article is actually "Subject was born, the end". Technically, that makes this a speedy A7 — but a potential claim of notability for him is made (although not actually sourced there either) in the article about his sister, Teresa Hooley: "was decorated in the Great War". That is a strong enough potential claim of notability that I don't feel comfortable speedying this without giving it a chance at rescue — but the article was created on December 7 and the creator hasn't edited Wikipedia at all since December 24, so it's unclear that asking them to beef up the article and its sourcing will accomplish anything. And, of course, even "decorated in the Great War" isn't an automatic inclusion pass if it's not properly sourceable, and also depends in large part upon what particular decoration he received — so that requires further investigation rather than conferring an automatic freebie just because it's claimed. Accordingly, I'm more than willing to withdraw this if somebody's able to get it up to snuff — but it needs to be deleted if it's just going to linger around in this form. Of course, without prejudice against future recreation if it can be written and sourced better than this. Bearcat (talk) 17:54, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: I rather wonder whether the nominator did any detailed WP:BEFORE, because this book on the Battle of the Somme is the first of two entries on a GBooks search and gives a decent six-line biography of the subject in a footnote. He fought in the Battle of the Somme and, unlike most of the other officers in his battalion, survived. The decoration he obtained was the Military Cross, after later military action, and by the time he died, he had been promoted to Major. Basically, a reasonably impressive military career, but not automatically notable enough for a standalone article. A redirect to Teresa Hooley, and a slight expansion of the mention of him there, would, I think, be in order if a reliable source can be found confirming that he was her brother (I can find plenty of unreliable sources for this, and don't seriously doubt it, but...). Otherwise, we are going to need enough sourcing to pass WP:GNG - I think it worth keeping this AfD open for the moment to see if anyone can find such sourcing, but I suspect nobody will. PWilkinson (talk) 00:34, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:00, 1 February 2016 (UTC)


 * This source (I am unsure how reliable it is, it appears to be staffed by volunteers and employed staff with an editor-in-chief) has a biographical article, fully attributed albeit to local papers, on Terah Hooley, "one of leading world authorities on lace manufacture". Terah Hooley had two sons and one daughter, Ernest Terah Hooley, Basil Terah Hooley and Teresa Mary Butler, presumably her maiden name was Teresa Hooley. In the Teresa Hooley article, she marries Frank H. Butler. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 21:49, 6 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Apparently Basil has a biographical entry in de Ruvigny's Roll of Honour, Vol II, Pt 5, pg 88. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 22:13, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — UY Scuti Talk  18:22, 8 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Draft and userfy at best for now. SwisterTwister   talk  02:45, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Weak Redirect: Redirect to Teresa Hooley per User:PWilkinson. Insufficient coverage to satisfactorily meet WP:GNG. Military Medal (awarded to over 135,000 people) does not meet ANYBIO#1 per WP:SOLDIER, and nor are any other of its criteria met. That said, additional sources are below and while notability is marginal there's enough to make a small tidy article.  undefinedHydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)  06:29, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Additional Sources: Teresa Hooley dedicates a poem to BTH in her Songs of the Open, and apparently planted three copper beeches in his memory. A scan of de Ruivigny's is online. Birth and census docs are also online. Wedding is in Nottingham Evening Post 23 Jun 1915. More pointers to evidence are in this forum  undefinedHydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)  06:29, 9 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:37, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:18, 15 February 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:18, 15 February 2016 (UTC)


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