Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Bahraich (1034)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. Seraphimblade Talk to me 02:05, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Battle of Bahraich (1034)

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The article depicts a legendary tale involving two figures, devoid of any historical basis. It fails WP:GNG, and there are no reliable sources referring to it as the "Battle of Bahraich." The title is a fabricated name, and reputable sources do not classify it as a battle. Instead, numerous sources, including the parent article, refer to both figures as part of a legend. Failure to meet GNG criteria and its lack of connection to actual historical events, it is worth noting that no historian identifies it as the "Battle of Bahraich." Imperial [AFCND]  13:37, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, Military, India,  and Uttar Pradesh. Skynxnex (talk) 16:04, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unreliable sources. Old folk tale sources used in the books like one writer Sri Purushottam Singh Yog, graduated in Civil Engineering, that fails WP:HISTRS. Religion professor Hiltebeitel makes a one line mention calling the death of a 19 yr old martyr a legend. Other sources are from founder of India's only open government non-profit trust that fails WP:V. The Page has no scholarly work available that can give some coverage with methodology, jargon and theory. Page on such history needs work from scholarly historians that is worthy through a disciplinary practice and none can be found on this page. RangersRus (talk) 13:42, 16 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Delete we do not list myths as if they're real, do any RS treat this as a real battle? Slatersteven (talk) 12:09, 17 March 2024 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 20:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Keep
 * I appreciate the concerns raised regarding the historical authenticity of the "Battle of Bahraich (1034)" article. However, I would like to provide some additional context before a decision is made.
 * While I understand that some sources may classify the events described in the article as a legend or myth, it's essential to recognize the cultural significance of such tales. The story of the Battle of Bahraich holds deep cultural and historical value for many communities, even if it may not align with traditional academic standards of historical evidence.
 * Rather than outright deletion, I suggest considering alternative approaches to the article. Perhaps it could be revised to include a section discussing the legendary aspects of the story, while also acknowledging its cultural importance. Additionally, efforts could be made to find scholarly perspectives that analyze the narrative from a cultural or folklore studies lens.
 * In conclusion, I believe that outright deletion may overlook the broader cultural and historical context surrounding the "Battle of Bahraich (1034)". I encourage us to explore alternative solutions that respect the cultural significance of the story while also upholding Wikipedia's standards of verifiability and neutrality.
 * Thank you for considering my perspective.
 * Sincerely, Sudsahab (talk) 13:34, 19 March 2024 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: Sudsahab (talk • contribs)  is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD.
 * I don't understand how this argument makes a point to oppose the deletion. Myths cannot be mixed with history. And most importantly, it is not accepted to invent names for military conflicts, whether it is real, or mythological. I apologize if I'm mistaken, but your comment appears to resemble an AI-generated essay rather than a genuine argument. Imperial [AFCND]  14:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Regarding myths and history, Wikipedia's policy on verifiability WP:V states that all information must be based on reliable, published sources. However, the policy also acknowledges that myths and legends can be significant aspects of cultural narratives surrounding historical events. Therefore, if there are reliable sources discussing the mythological aspects of the Battle of Bahraich and their cultural significance, they can be included in the article with appropriate context and attribution, as outlined in the reliable sources guideline WP:RS.Wikipedia's naming conventions for events WP:EVENTN recommend using the most common name for the event as determined by reliable sources. If there is a commonly accepted name for the Battle of Bahraich in reliable sources, it should be used in the article. However, if no such name exists, a descriptive title that accurately reflects the nature of the conflict can be used, in accordance with the policy on article titles WP:AT.   I want to clarify that the sources I have added to the article support and verify the title "Battle of Bahraich." Each citation I have included discusses this specific event, providing historical context and supporting the use of this title. Therefore, it is not an invented name but rather one supported by reliable sources. Sudsahab (talk) 14:03, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Again an AI generated essay with no point of valid arguement. Imperial  [AFCND]  14:49, 22 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That's not an AI generated arguement Sudsahab (talk) 04:51, 23 March 2024 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.