Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Bulford


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The result was   delete. -- Cirt (talk) 19:53, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Bulford

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The article is based on a single autobiography of a man who was present as a low-ranking officer when his unit was called in to control the mutiny. According to Worldcat, this book was self-published by its editor, which leads me to question its usability as source on the grounds of reliability and independence.

I attempted to find other sources to support the artilce, but had little success.
 * Vanilla Google searches for various terms ("Battle of Bulford", "Bulford mutiny", etc) either turn up Wikipedia mirrors or unrelated content. Google Books has zero relevant results.
 * There are no mentions of this event on the Australian War Memorial website.
 * Of the Australian mutinies mentioned in the Official History of Australia in the War of 1914–1918, the only army ones I can find ocurred in France with battalions of the 1st AIF.
 * The Oxford Companion to Australian Military History does not mention the event, either specifically or in its general entry on "Mutinies".

As such, I believe the article should be deleted, as it does not meet the general notability guideline: although the event may well have ocurred, the article's information cannot be verified through significant coverage in multiple, reliable sources. Considering that the mutiny appears to have been short and without major incident, I would be suprised if such sources did exist. If deleted, the claims made by this article should be excised from Bulford Camp and Royal School of Artillery. -- saberwyn 01:50, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete. Like the nom, I cannot find corroboration of the existence of such an event anywhere else, including through searches like "Bulford Camp mutiny," "Bulford Camp insurrection," and so on. Newspaper articles of the time mentioning Bulford Camp do not say anything about such a mutiny.  I agree with the above remarks that the event (or at least something like it) may have happened, but without being recorded anywhere other than this guy's diary it does not reach encyclopedic notability.  If anyone can turn up independent reporting of the incident, though, I'll be happy to revisit my view.  Glenfarclas  ( talk ) 05:17, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. If no sources can be found for this event, it may be an instance of WP:HOAX. Qworty (talk) 09:13, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Reading this carefully, it seems to fail notability in a more general sense. We know that troops after both world wars, not just ANZACs, got restless waiting to be demobilised. Sometimes this got as far as soldiers insisting that as they had only enlisted for the duration, and the war was over, they didn't see why they should put up with officers ordering them around and wanted to be on the next boat home. Occasionally it went much further. Rumours of what might be happening elsewhere are bound to spread in that atmosphere. There is nothing in this account that suggests that anything more actually happened than the officers fearing that they had lost control of their men and other units being called in to keep them on the camp for the couple of days it lasted. On the face of it not something that would make an official history, and not something that would get into Wikipedia today unless a great press story was made of it. --AJHingston (talk) 10:03, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
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 * Delete Can't find a decent source. Doctorhawkes (talk) 06:16, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment This looks like the "riots" that led to the carving of the Bulford Kiwi, but written up (and possibly named) decades later by someone trying to produce an interesting memoir. PWilkinson (talk) 19:43, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. Peter Stanley's recently published (and quite comprehensive) account of misbehavior in the AIF, Bad Characters, also doesn't mention this incident. Nick-D (talk) 04:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.