Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Ghasera


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The result was delete. TNT close, please recreate based on the RSs. Spartaz Humbug! 12:12, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Battle of Ghasera

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Some (maybe all) of the sources look very iff (and one or two do not even seem to support what they are being cited for). Slatersteven (talk) 16:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Slatersteven (talk) 16:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 16:06, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment* This was actual a siege and not a battle in traditional sense. The sources given are not mostly not reliable but there exist some reliable sources which mentions this battle. I will share these sources shortly, as I don't have access to those right now. Sajaypal007 (talk) 16:12, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * They need to be more than just passing mentions (which most of what we have seems to be). Slatersteven (talk) 16:14, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That I agree, let me see what I can find. Sajaypal007 (talk) 18:36, 27 March 2022 (UTC)


 * DELETE Agreed that the page has citations that do not even support the information and majority of the citation seem questionable and needs to go through WP:RSN for general opinion. Its better to have this article deleted and then rewritten with reliable citations which should go through the review process before being finally posted.MehmoodS (talk) 16:37, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment IF there are source(s) concerning this siege, and those source(s) are reliable, why not simply move the article to Siege of Ghasera and (re)write the article inline with the source(s) available? --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes, agreed, this is also an option.MehmoodS (talk) 17:12, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah it can be moved to siege of ghasera. Historian and Prof Dr PC Chandawat mentions the event in quite detail in his book on Surajmal. Another historian R.P. Vyas also briefly mentions the siege in his two volume book on Modern Rajasthan history. But both of these sources are in hindi. One good source in english language is well known historian Jadunath Sarkar's four volume book Fall of Mughal empire. In the book he mentioned the event in second volume and its aftermath alongwith other related event in first volume. These are the reliable sources I could find for now. I can re-write the article in a day or two if its agreed upon. I can get the relevant passage translated in english it needed be. Sajaypal007 (talk) 18:52, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * It still has to be more than a brief mention. Slatersteven (talk) 18:57, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The most detailed version is given by PC Chandawat and it covers three pages, if its not enough then I am afraid I can't find more than that. Sajaypal007 (talk) 19:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Three pages is certainly sufficient for PC Chandawat to count, but "multiple sources are generally expected" as per WP:SIGCOV. The sources being in Hindi is fine: English language sources are generally preferred when available, but "citations to non-English reliable sources are allowed" per WP:NONENG. How long are the relevant segments by Vyas and Sarkar? I also noticed that this siege/battle is mentioned in Ghasera Fort, cited to Major General S. D. S. Yadava, 2006 Followers of Krishna: Yadavas of India, Lancer Publishers, page 51-52., but I'd need someone more familiar with Indian publishing houses to chime in about whether that's reliable or not. - Ljleppan (talk) 07:46, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice that earlier but its an in-house publishing company for military officers to publish their books from an "Indian viewpoint". And the author is a major general in the army and not an expert in history. An in-house material is unreliable I believe.MehmoodS (talk) 10:21, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , vyas and sarkar both have almost a page dedicated to this event. And regarding S.D.S. Yadava's book, I agree with MehmoodS, and want to add that it is most likely a caste promotion book, the writer also belongs to Ahir caste which claims ancient Yadava origin and he used quite a lot of Yadava ancestry boasting, in the preface the author explains how he relied on newspapers and articles etc. Do read the preface of the book, I wanted to discuss the book at WP:RSN but i am little busy these days hence couldn't. Sajaypal007 (talk) 14:05, 28 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Weak keep but move to Siege of Ghasera. Above, has described that the available sourcing includes three texts, of which one (Chandawat) is approximately three pages in length and two others (Vyas and Sarkar) are approximately one page in length. While not massive coverage, I believe these are sufficient to reach the more than a trivial mention, [without needing] to be the main topic of the source material standard of WP:SIGCOV even if this remains somewhat borderline. My !vote is also weak as I'm unable to personally assess the sources, and merely assuming good faith that the descriptions are accurate. I'll reconsider my !vote if concerns regarding the reliability of the three sources listed above are raised. -Ljleppan (talk) 14:16, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Comment –, I haven't searched about the subject, but I did look at a couple of sources mentioned in this discussion. Both of them are reliable and have a healthy coverage of the siege.


 * Dr. Chandawat's book mentioned by user Sajaypal007 covers the details of the siege from page nos. 84 to 87. As the book as well as the WorldCat mentions, it is a revision of the accepted PhD thesis of Dr. Prakāśa Candra Cāndāvta. It has 3 pages on the seige which covers its all major aspects in depth. The book is available online. So at least the native speakers of Hindi can easily check the details.


 * The book by Dr. Aijaz Ahmad has also good coverage of the siege. Note that Dr. Ahmad is an Associate Professor of History: see here and here. - NitinMlk (talk) 19:16, 2 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Keep but move to Siege of Ghasera. I do not know the subject, but we clearly have at least two potential RS on it.  Peterkingiron (talk) 14:11, 3 April 2022 (UTC)


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