Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Manila (1500)


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The result was delete. Yunshui 雲 水 09:49, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Battle of Manila (1500)

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Just like 1365, 1405, and most recently deleted 1258, the article lacks significant coverage. SUPER ASTIG 08:50, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. As it stands, the article is indistinguishable from a fabricated hoax. –Austronesier (talk) 09:24, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. None of the sources used in the article establish that there was a battle in Manila on the given date. Colin Gerhard (talk) 10:03, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - the only notable Battle of Manilla I can find is 1945. Certainly nothing shows up for this date. -- Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:10, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 10:39, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete - I can't find substantial coverage to pass GNG or to support the article's claims. Some of the claims are contradictory with stuff - the Kingdom of Tondo article states that the Lakan Suko figure was leader from 1417–1430 (although without a source).  Delete this one as not verifiable.  User:Sirfurboy - the 1898 battle's notable too. Hog Farm (talk) 14:40, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - everything has the "citations needed" template. Also, there are only two references, and one of them is a failed verification. Analog Horror, (Communicate) 02:54, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete - I'm the one who created the article and I myself admit that the references are too scant but I did read about it in a website I can't reproduce anymore, I was hoping somebody else might supply it and new references showing that there was a conquest of Manila by Sultan Bolkiah, they supplied one, according to Wiliam Henry Scott who set it "about 1500" but not exactly at that date, Source Here... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Battle_of_Manila_(1500), nevertheless the article is so riddled with holes I think it's best if we delete this article and migrate the relevant content to a new article stating "1500s" not "1500" as the historian William Henry Scott said, that was my original intent, to make it a 1500s dateline instead of the 1500 one but Wikipedia didn't accept it, how does one make ranged dates BTW?.--Rene Bascos Sarabia Jr. (talk) 12:47, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * To prevent a future AfD: I strongly suggest not to "migrate the relevant content to a new article". All sources only provide info about a reported transition of power from a local polity to the Sulatnate of Brunei. Scott relies on Brunei folk history in calling this a "conquest", while Junker suggests a more differentiated view. This material may be included in History of the Philippines (900–1565) (which certainly needs some cleanup), but there is no documentation of an event that deserves a standalone article called "Battle [or whatever] of Manila (c. 1500)". –Austronesier (talk) 13:35, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per nom. It lacks significant coverage, only Scott so far mentioned such a battle by using Brunei folk history. But in his book "Barangay", he only made a fleeting mention about it, without providing further details. Later scholars like Donoso and Fluckiger dismissed the invasion narrative. Stricnina (talk) 13:48, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete No significant coverage. It's a bad sign when a battle has an unknown date.  Hawkeye7   (discuss)  21:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete lack of coverage with this title. शिव साहिल/Shiv Sahil (talk) 16:57, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


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