Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Sauce


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. The issue of merging can be discussed on the article's talk page. Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:35, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Sauce

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Fails WP:RS (no sources at all) and WP:V. The only apparently usable source I could find in a Google search (To the Bitter End: Paraguay and the War of the Triple Alliance by Chris Leuchars) placed the Battle of Sauce in 1866 — though this could very possibly have been a different battle in the same place. If the current content of the article is all the info there is, I'd recommend finding at least one reliable source and then incorporating the verifiable material into another article dealing with the wider conflict of which this battle was a part. Rich wales (talk · contribs) 20:54, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete. The name gets a lot of hits, but they're about a different battle. I don't see any evidence that this happened. If no sources are found, the other articles created by this user should also be examined. Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 21:24, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge I just read pages 134-5-6 of the above mentioned book and the battle described there is indeed another battle than the one meant here. The Spanish article Invasión Luso-Brasileña, which is a FA, does mention this battle in 1916 and they link there to an article for it: Batalla de Sauce (1816), which however doesn't say much more than this one here. IMO this article can be either kept and tagged for citations and need of expansion, or it can be merged with Luso-Brazilian invasion, which needs expansion anyway, although at this stage, I don't see how it could fit there without creating undue weight. Hoverfish Talk 22:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually there are more battles of this campaign that have articles: see Template:Luso-Brazilian invasion. Hoverfish Talk 22:59, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * "It has an article on another-language Wikipedia" is not a good argument for keeping, since that article is also totally unsourced and I couldn't find sources in that article's language, either. The problem here is not that the article is bad. The problem is that we have absolutely no proof that the battle ever happened. Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 01:51, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I am aware of the problem of sources in the spanish wikipedia, as it often discourages me from translating articles we need here. The battle of Sauce seems to have happened indeed. Here is one mention of it I just found online . I should get myself some notable book of Uruguayan History, I guess. I will add the citacion in the article asap. Hoverfish Talk 17:49, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I should mention here that I moved the article to Battle of Sauce (1816) to distinguish it from the 1866 battle. Hoverfish Talk 22:06, 22 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I also made a multiple merge proposal for all related battle articles, including this one, to Luso-Brazilian invasion. This proposal is not meant to bypass any decision taken here. Hoverfish Talk 13:18, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep or merge per Hoverfish.♦ Dr. Blofeld  09:36, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Uruguay-related deletion discussions.  —Tom Morris (talk) 21:31, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions.  — • Gene93k (talk) 19:09, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:05, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

 *Keep Sources don't need to be in English.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:22, 26 August 2011 (UTC) Talk 17:38, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm quoting the nominator: If the current content of the article is all the info there is, I'd recommend finding at least one reliable source and then incorporating the verifiable material into another article dealing with the wider conflict of which this battle was a part. - Well, at least one reliable source has been found, so there seems to be a pretty clear consensus towards a merge. Any other opinions? Hoverfish Talk 14:31, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete - After cursory review, I can't find any English language RS for this thing. NickCT (talk) 15:20, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment If the concern here is verifiability, I have translated the references in the article. Hoverfish Talk 17:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Please vote only once. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 19:04, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

*Keep If relisting means we must vote again, I repeat my keep here. Hoverfish Talk 17:40, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * No, relisting does not mean you vote again. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 19:04, 28 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep: I find it to be relevant enough and besides, as Dr. Blofeld points out, references do not have to be in English, bearing in mind that it's an important fact in local Uruguayan history and most of the references, if not all of them, are probably in Spanish or Portuguese. --Góngora (Talk) 22:16, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep All battles are notable, if they are real battles and not mere engagements. The lack of sources in English is caused by systemic bias Cambalachero (talk) 13:34, 28 August 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.