Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Tin Keraten


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. After two relistings, no consensus for a particular outcome has arisen within this discussion for these articles. The last two !votes come across as possibly only being based upon the Battle of Tin Keraten article listed in the section header, and may not take the other related pages nominated for deletion herein into consideration. This is per the singular wording used in the last two !votes (e.g. "it does appear to be...", "not a battle..."). North America1000 01:58, 23 May 2017 (UTC)

Battle of Tin Keraten

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This is one of about ten so-called "battles" (listed in the Northern Mali conflict template) that really just amount to small clashes. They don't have significant press coverage, not surprisingly, and don't merit articles. I don't see any hits searching for "Battle of xxx" from reliable sources. (There are more listed, but let's start with these.)

I am also nominating the following related pages for the same reason:
 * (88 men vs about 300)
 * (1200 vs about 36)
 * (1700 vs 40)
 * (? vs 9+)
 * (? vs 50)
 * (460 vs ?)
 * (7 killed)
 * (460 vs ?)
 * (7 killed)

Clarityfiend (talk) 00:04, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Everymorning (talk) 00:29, 1 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete all -- unremarkable & no sufficient sourcing; these are minor skirmishes. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:26, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep of some, I think - there exists Northern Mali conflict and Northern Mali conflict which cover a lot of this. As is, calling any of these Battle of X seems OR. That said, looking at fr:Bataille de Gao (janvier 2013), the french version of Second Battle of Gao or at fr:Bataille d'In Khalil, the french version of Battle of Khalil (to take two more or less at random), I am not sure these can all be dismissed at once. The French versions all rely heavily on: Jean-Christophe Notin, La guerre de la France au Mali, Tallandier, 2014. I don't have the book and google books doesn't seem to have previews, so it is hard to discern how distinct the "battles" are from underlying violence and what differentiates them from "skirmishes", "raids", "suicide attacks", etc. Smmurphy(Talk) 22:20, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sufficiently sourced.  Rename to French and Malian engagement at Tin Keraten as it does appear to be an Engagement (military), not quite a battle.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:44, 1 May 2017 (UTC)  Likely, a merge target could be found.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:50, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 05:25, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 12:23, 8 May 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  CAPTAIN RAJU  (✉)   18:28, 15 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Sufficiently sourced - but not a battle, more an engagement or skirmish. Deathlibrarian (talk) 11:09, 22 May 2017 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


 * True, I only seriously examine one. They are all much the same, minimal coverage, shouldn't be titled "battle", and all could be merged.  Actually, I recommend merging them all to the conflict they are part of.  --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:30, 23 May 2017 (UTC)