Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Turkmen Sahra


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The result was delete. Nobody has challenged the nominator's view this may be a hoax. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  10:28, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Battle of Turkmen Sahra

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I can not find any reliable sources that indicate that this battle ever happened as described, and i am inclined to believe that this is partially, if not fully, a hoax. The first and second source, "Russia in the Constitutional Revolution", yields no search results on Google, other than Wikipedia mirrors and a false positive where a book (Fragile Resistance: Social Transformation In Iran From 1500 To The Revolution) has a section about Russia's role in the Persian Constitutional Revolution. If these are the same source, then the WP article has the wrong year for the source (2008 for Wikipedia article's Russia's role in the Persian Constitutional Revolution vs 2019 for Book with Section about Russia's role in the Persian Constitutional Revolution). The third source, http://www.yale.edu/history/faculty/amanat.html, is simply a list of books by Abbas Amanat with minor biographical details. The Persian name, "نبرد ترکمن صحرا" does not appear in any of the Persian sources (sources 4, 5, 6 and 7). The fourth source is only used to support Turkmen presence in the Turkmen Sahra in the text, but not the existence of the battle itself. If Google Translate is correct, the fifth source talks about the reign of Mohammad Shah, but does not talk about a Turkmen migration to Bojnourd. The sixth source is rather unintelligible with Google Translate but as far as i can tell only contains a few trivial mentions of Turkmen but not anything about a battle in early 1911. The seventh source does not contain a single mention of Turkmen or 1911. Some Google Books searches seem to indicate that a battle between the Persian government and Turkmen did indeed happen in 1911, but it was late in the year (not March) and not in the Turkmen Sahra but it was in Esterabad. Also, the statement that this was "the last major battle of the Persian Constitutional Revolution" is patently untrue, even if this battle in March 1911 did actually happen. The Royalists weren't defeated until the Battle of Bagh-i-Shah on 27 September 1911. If this article is indeed a hoax then perhaps the author should be banned. If this is all a misunderstanding and this battle is real or a good-faith translation of a hoax from another Free source, then i apologize to the creator but i would tell him to be more careful with what he uses as sources in the first case and properly attribute material in the second case. Koopinator (talk) 14:36, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
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 * Could you please comment on this AFD? This is important. If you don't comment, i'll have to assume this article is a hoax. Koopinator (talk) 07:23, 20 December 2019 (UTC)


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