Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Wai


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. apparently there are enough sources available  DGG ( talk ) 04:40, 5 February 2017 (UTC)

Battle of Wai

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Appears to have been abandoned by creator. No substantial information. No citations. Appears related to Battle of Pratapgarh, in fact, looks like it's another name for the same. RoCo (talk) 18:58, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:38, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:38, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:38, 21 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - no evidence of WP:GNG Spiderone  19:55, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - Battle was in 1687, and is not the same as Pratapgarh. A short discussion is in: Kincaid, C. A. (1922). A history of the Maratha people (Vol. 2). H. Milford, Oxford university press. p 48. Another option is to merge into Mughal–Maratha Wars. Smmurphy(Talk) 20:21, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Coverage seems universally very short. I think the main primary source is the "Maratha Chronicles", which I don't know anything about, but is referenced in the discussions I see about Hambirrao and his death. However, the battle is described as bloody and being a part of a large invasion and the leaders (Hambirrao for the Maratha's and Sarja Khan for the Mughal's) were major military leaders, so the battle was almost certainly a large affair involving thousands of fighters. While the case for GNG is not very strong, the case for an event with a significant lasting effect is, given the role Hambirrao's death played in the future of Sambhaji's rule. Smmurphy(Talk) 22:15, 22 January 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete The battle isn't notable. The History of Maratha Peoples talks for less than a page about it and doesn't define it as a single battle. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 23:06, 21 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. First of all, AFD isn't the place to request an article clean-up. The battle is notable, had strategic implications at the time and article is referenced. The battle appears in multiple contemporary book sources (check google books). See for example "The 1687 Battle of Wai saw the Maratha forces badly weakened by the Mughals. The key Maratha commander Hambirao Mohite was killed, and troops began to desert the Maratha armies." (https://books.google.com/books?id=r5NRDQAAQBAJ&pg=PA291), "Sambhaji's senapati, Hambir Rao Mobile, died fighting against the Mughals in a bloody battle in the vicinity of Wai towards the fall of 1687. It weakened Sambhaji's military position beyond redemption, and he was deserted by the bulk" (https://books.google.com/books?id=d1wUgKKzawoC&pg=PA49), "father of Tarabai, Hambirrao Mohite, lost his life in December, 1687, while fighting successfully a fierce battle against the Mughal troops ... Mughal service) near Wai." (https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=Eh1BAAAAMAAJ), https://books.google.com/books?hl=en&id=pOu1AAAAIAAJ, "In 1687 Hambirrao was fatally wounded in the battle of Wai against the Mughals" (https://books.google.com/books?id=iF8MAAAAIAAJ), "The Maratha kingdom suffered a heavy blow at the death of Hambirrao Mohite in 1687. He was successful in preventing the Mughal advance at Kalyan, Bhivandi, Raigad and Panhala. Sarjakhan who was despatched by Aurangzeb, after the fall of Vijapur, advanced upto Wai where Hambirrao was camping." (https://books.google.com/books?id=43gBAAAAMAAJ), "He died in a battle with Aurangzib's Bijapuri General, Rustam Khan, near Wai in October, 1687" (https://books.google.com/books?id=SETRAAAAMAAJ). --Soman (talk) 11:13, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
 * The first book you link to looks self-published. Other than that, those sources seem to indicate Hambir Rao is notable, not this battle. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 15:24, 22 January 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 00:39, 28 January 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment:  I do know that AfD isn't the place to request a clean-up, and I wasn't doing so. The initial creator created the article with little context. I was unsure if the battle was even real. If it wasn't, a clean-up would serve no purpose, therefore the nomination. Also, the lack of content wasn't the primary reason for the nomination. The discussion can be closed as keep if you're confident the article can be improved and/or is properly referenced now. RoCo (talk) 23:04, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, you can no longer withdraw your nomination. You made the nom and you can change your mind about it if you like but this discussion will have to be closed as all AfDs are. Chris Troutman  ( talk ) 23:24, 3 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it would short circuit the discussion. It was just a suggestion, and did not mean I would (or could) withdraw the AfD. Thanks! RoCo (talk) 01:53, 4 February 2017 (UTC)


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