Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Young's Point


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The result was merge to Battle of Milliken's Bend. I see a reasonable consensus for a merge. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 05:58, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Battle of Young's Point

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I was actually looking to try to improve this article, and after examining the sources, I don't think this is a notable battle. The article is, in its entirety, a copy and paste of a public domain National Park Service piece, which is about the most detailed RS in existence about this "battle". The NPS piece is four paragraphs long, but two are about the campaign. The other two explain what happened here - a Confederate brigade was suppose to attack the Union camp at Young's Point, ran very late, freaked out when they saw how strong the Union defenses were, and left without bringing on a battle.

Here's what other RS about the Vicksburg campaign have to say about this "battle" -

Donald L. Miller in Vicksburg (2019) p. 455 - The other two rebel operations planned for that day against Lake Providece and Young's Point were called off because of overpowering Union strength, the appearance, at Young's Point, of Porter's ironclads, and rebel disorganization

William L. Shea and Terrence J. Winschel, Vicksburg is the Key (2003), p. 165 The encounters at Lake Providence and Young's Point were of even less significance

Frances H. Kennedy (ed.) The Civil War Battlefield Guide (1998) has a well-developed section about the Vicksburg campaign, and briefly mentions that a Confederate expedition to Young's Point was planned to go along with the Battle of Milliken's Bend, but doesn't say anything else about it.

Martha M. Bigelow's 1960 journal article about Milliken's Bend at says The expedition to Young's Point was an abortive one - seeing gunboats stationed at Young's Point the Confederates withdrew without attacking

Shelby Foote's The Beleaguered City (1960) devotes half a sentence to this action.

While these examples (the sources I happened to have on hand) are not everything that has ever been written, they are representative of sources about the Vicksburg campaign. I find it telling that only the NPS source devotes more than a single sentence to this action. This is clearly a non-event that hasn't gotten scholarly attention, and WP:GNG isn't met because the sources are not significant coverage. I have conducted further WP:BEFORE and haven't found anything that is more significant than what is stated above. Obviously, planned but not executed military actions can be notable, but I don't think this one is.

There's a small touch of coverage of this action at Battle of Milliken's Bend, which is where interpretation of this non-notable nonaction should probably be conducted. Battle of Lake Providence may need to be looked at too - a little more happened at Lake Providence than at Young's Point, but my Vicksburg campaign research hasn't turned up much on either fight. Hog Farm Talk 06:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete per extensive explanation by nom, lacks SIGCOV in multiple RS necessary to satisfy WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 08:26, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete per nomination rationale. Possible merge into Vicksburg campaign. Harrias  (he/him) • talk 10:12, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment -- An attack that was not carried through, not a battle. If kept, rename Confederate advance towards Young's Point, but it was such a minor engagement (actually not even that) that I am dubious whether an article is needed.  It might be merged with the Battle of Milliken's Bend, to which this was a side-show, with a citation of the NPS page.  Peterkingiron (talk) 12:59, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Battle_of_Milliken%27s_Bend (although possibly with some rewriting required) // or at least redirect (as plausible search term, if the rewrite ends up requiring more fundamental changes to the way this is described); per extensive rationale and per the details added by Peter. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 15:11, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge, I guess to Battle_of_Milliken%27s_Bend. I looked at my sources and got "rebels in small force attacked Milliken's Bend and .Young's Point... but were decisively repulsed" from a contemporary New York Times article in addition to what Hog Farm has found. No indication of more significance, no indication of notability. Eddie891 Talk Work 16:52, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete For a battle to exist, there has to be an engagement of some kind. The failure of this to materialise could be well explained in related articles. -Indy beetle (talk) 22:38, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to the Milliken article noted by, and per, the two merge !votes above.- wolf  11:46, 22 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge per above. Patar knight - chat/contributions 15:07, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge Part of a larger engagement the only part of notiblity here. Tirronan (talk) 05:09, 27 February 2021 (UTC)


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