Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battlestar Pegasus (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of spacecraft in Battlestar Galactica (2004 TV series). (non-admin closure) -  The   Magnificentist  19:40, 21 June 2017 (UTC)

Battlestar Pegasus
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10 years after the old AfD discussion, this is still a piece of plot summary with no indication of real world importance. A short summary of the second section could be merged to List_of_spacecraft_in_Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series), where this should be redirecting (I propose a soft deletion). This is not a merge discussion, however, as we had an AFD on this before, so we need another AfD to overturn the old consensus. If you go looking for sources, please try to find some on the real world significance of this ship, not just more plot summaries. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 07:24, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect I've added a few sourced details to List_of_spacecraft_in_Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series), everything else can be deleted. The term is unambiguously related to BSG, so I support keeping a redirect. Power~enwiki (talk) 18:04, 14 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions.  WC  Quidditch   &#9742;   &#9998;  21:35, 14 June 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Multiple obvious sources discuss the critical reception of this plot element, especially in the reimagined series: Situated Ideological Allegory and Battlestar Galactica, Battlestar Galactica and International Relations, https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Anthony_Gierzynski/publication/301647488_Fictional_Leaders_Leadership_Stereotypes_and_Evaluations_of_Women_in_Leadership_Positions/links/571f7c7508aeaced788abbc4.pdf Fictional Leaders, Leadership Stereotypes and Evaluations of Women in Leadership Positions]. Many similar references are couched in Cain vs. Adama terms, but the fact is the Pegasus is a chintzy element from the original series, plopped into the reimagined series in a way to specifically question the U.S. use of extreme interrogation techniques and portray them as torture. The Pegasus arc deals with the rape of prisoners in a world where military power is not answerable to civilian government.  The ship is a generic fictional Battlestar; the culture of sadism, authoritarianism, and Machiavellianism cannot be adequately captured if this article is merged into a list of other fictional spacecraft. Jclemens (talk) 03:46, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * If only we had a source that provided such an analysis... but so far it seems like your WP:OR. Battlestar Galactica and International Relations" provides nothing but plot summary; there is a bit about framing of Pegasus vs Galactica (158, but you can't build notability for this from few sentences). Your third source,, to the following two sentences: " Razor. Razor tells the story of the Battlestar Pegasus during and after the attack of the Cylons. Admiral Helena Cain, in charge of the Pegasus at the time of the attack and a junior officer, Lt. Kendra Shaw, offer clear-cut cases of female leaders exhibiting stereotypical male traits. " I will review your first source next week when I have access to my university library. However, settign aside that noboy has yet added those sources to the article and in their current form they are pure plot summaries/OR, few sentences about framing etc. are not enough for notability. This could be enough for a paragraph, at most, at some other article, but not enough to prove notability of this. Where has Pegasus been subject to in-depth treatment beyond 2-3 sentences? Those 2-3 sentences on framing etc. can be added to List_of_spacecraft_in_Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series). We don't need a dedicated article that would contain stub-size content on real world framing/significance, and a lengthy, primary-source/OR fancruft summary of the fictional history/etc. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  08:02, 15 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Redirect - Notability is not established, and the above analysis of the posted sources seems to indicate nothing of significance. TTN (talk) 20:12, 15 June 2017 (UTC)


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