Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Batuhan Çelik


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. No suitable rationale for passing GNG was advanced. This is probably simply a WP:TOOSOON article. Black Kite (talk) 10:55, 4 April 2023 (UTC)

Batuhan Çelik

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Fails WP:GNG due to lack of WP:SIGCOV. Of the sources in the article, is an automatic compilation from a database that is part of massive amount of similar articles on the same site,  is three lines of routine transfer announcement,  is an interview and thus WP:PRIMARY,  is a short match report. I was unable to find any significant sources during a search. Alvaldi (talk) 21:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Football. Alvaldi (talk) 21:21, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep passes GNG with significant coverage. Also this meme needs to end, interviews don't go against PRIMARY.--Ortizesp (talk) 22:16, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * More accurately they are not independent of the subject and thus do not go towards GNG. Alvaldi (talk) 22:24, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
 * , could you please explain what you mean by "interviews don't go against PRIMARY"? WP:PRIMARY specifically lists interviews as an example of a primary source, does it not? –dlthewave ☎ 13:52, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 18:43, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:47, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Draft Seems to be an interesting prospect from what I read online, some sources there. I feel this is one to send to draft space which could pass GNG in the future. Govvy (talk) 21:49, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment I think it is highly unlikely anything will change N in the next six months for this subject, not impossible, but I seriously doubt it will happen. If someone wants the old article because new sources are found in the coming years, they can REFUND.  // Timothy :: talk  11:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions.  Spiderone (Talk to Spider) 17:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Delete: BLP Fails GNG and BIO. Source eval table:
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! Comments !! Reference
 * Promo bio || 1. "Batuhan Celik kimdir, nereli? Boyu ve yaşı kaç? Batuhan Celik Hangi takımlarda oynadı?". Bölge Gündem Haber.
 * Photo, no info || 2. ^ "Başakşehir'de Batuhan Çelik profesyonel oldu". Fotomaç.
 * Interview quote || 3. ^ "Başakşehir'de Batuhan Çelik, Adnan Januzaj, Gent Maçı Sonrası Konuştu". ajansspor.com.
 * Team photo after a game || 4. ^ "U18 Milli Takımı Romanya'yı mağlup etti". Sabah.
 * }
 * Keep provided no sources.
 * The BEFOREs and table above showed nothing that meets IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.
 * BLPs need clearly IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability to avoid abuse per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV).  // Timothy :: talk  11:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * }
 * Keep provided no sources.
 * The BEFOREs and table above showed nothing that meets IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth.
 * BLPs need clearly IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability to avoid abuse per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV).  // Timothy :: talk  11:10, 2 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Delete. My own research into the subject doesn’t find any indication of WP:NOTABILITY per WP:GNG and WP:RS WP:SIGCOV that would establish notability as specified in WP:GNG and WP:NATHLETE as the relevant policies. A notable subject would be expected to have demonstrable significant coverage by reliable independent secondary sources, which I did not find when I did my own search. The coverage that does exist doesn’t satisfy WP:SIGCOV sufficient to establish notability per WP:GNG guidelines. If criteria in the relevant policies were met, there would be a strong case to be made for keeping. However, I don’t see that here and therefore I conclude that the article should be deleted as the subject lacks demonstrable notability. Additionally, WP:GNG is also failed here due to a lack of significant (in depth, non trivial and non routine) coverage by qualifying sources. Deletion is the appropriate outcome, since the article subject fails WP:GNG notability criteria. One could entertain inclusion if there was any existing claim to WP:NOTABILITY under the appropriate guidelines, which just isn’t met here. Finally, I note that WP:SPORTSPERSON is not satisfied as a matter of course, which follows from a lack of reliable source SIGCOV that isn’t either WP:ROUTINE or WP:TRIVIAL. Any claim to subject notability should be backed by a strong basis in policy, which simply isn’t the case here since the subject doesn’t meet WP:NATHLETE, WP:SPORTSPERSON or WP:GNG criteria under WP:NOTABILITY and GNG guidelines pertaining to subjects such as these. It would be a different matter entirely if the subject met any of these conditions, however, they do not and so deletion is the appropriate policy based conclusion. The case for keeping would be stronger and more compelling if the subject has demonstrable notability via WP:RS WP:SIGCOV. Overall, since none of the sources establish evidence of notability sufficient for inclusion, the article should be deleted. I would be more inclined to support keeping if any of the sources met the required criteria relevant under WP:NATHLETE and WP:SPORTSPERSON. Since they don’t, however, the strongest case to made here is the one for deletion. Shawn Teller (hy/hym) (talk) 18:52, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - Per Ortizesp. Also, he is young player with ongoing career in the fully pro Turkish Super Lig, which has lots of media coverage, and also already a Turkey youth international. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk) 18:08, 3 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Das osmnezz Ortizesp states the subject has enough significant coverage to pass GNG without identifying any significant coverage whatsoever. Can you point to any of this significant coverage? Also, being young and having an ongoing career passes no inclusion criteria and playing in a notable league also does not make you notable as notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. All this you know very well. Alvaldi (talk) 18:55, 3 April 2023 (UTC)


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