Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Batumi International University


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:24, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Batumi International University

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I waited a few days to nominate this, since it's an article on a university. But it's promotional, and a conflict of interest piece written by the institution's president. According to earlier edits school will not open until 2010. No acceptable sources provided, slim to none on Google hits. JNW (talk) 13:42, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Education-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 16:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Georgia (country)-related deletion discussions. Thryduulf (talk) 16:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions.  —• Gene93k (talk) 18:01, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I am new to this process. Can someone tell me how to make changes that will allow the article to remain but remove all the objections? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edraupp (talk • contribs) 09:20, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete, the university doesn't exist yet, and there are no sources to substantiate an article. No prejudice for re-creation if/when it becomes notable. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 20:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The University does exist. It was formed by the Government of the Autonomous Republic of Adjara, which is part of the Republic of Georgia, a post-Soviet nation in the Caucasus Region of Southeastern Europe. All objectionable material is gone. All we have now is the name, one line of background, logo, and motto. What else do you need? No one knows as much about the University as I do. That should not disqualify me from editing the page, nor should the article be deleted on that basis. This is very frustrating - and disappointing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edraupp (talk • contribs) 12:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If it exists, then one may assume it will do good things that get noticed and written about in reliable sources. At that point it will be reasonable to have an article on it.  Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:20, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep Plausible article, considering its the capital city. All it needs is a little more information--there was some content before--check earlier versions of the article, though because i have not checked if it's copyvio I have not restored it--and not all of it is actually suitable.  And find some references in a local publication of some sort, . All universities are considered notable at Wikipedia--it's just a matter of doing the work and avoiding cultural bias.    DGG ( talk ) 04:05, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not the capital city of a country; that would be Tbilisi. In this case it would be as if a (hypothetical) university is notable because it is located in Montpelier.  Anyway the real problem is that there is simply no way to have a sourced article here. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 13:27, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If I was wrong about the capital, it doesnt make it the less notable--many universities--in fact, most universities, are located elsewhere.   DGG ( talk ) 03:32, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You are not necessarily wrong. Batumi is the capital of the Autonomous Republic of Adjara whilst Tbilisi is the capital of Georgia. Its all about the status of Adjara. TerriersFan (talk) 04:51, 17 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment The university is not yet operating, there were no Google hits when last I checked, and no objective sources have been offered. The article's author, the institution's president, has stated on the article's talk page: We are notifying the public and are opening in January. The Wikipedia article is intended to assist in that effort...; Wikipedia is not a vehicle for promotion of a new school. Universities are considered notable, but this is yet rather problematic. JNW (talk) 05:06, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Existence: The University was formed by the Government of the Autonomous Republic of Adjara. It does exist. The University is operating as a legal entity.

Promotional: Every university with a Wikipedia article has content that may to some extent be considered "promotional." I have degrees from Carnegie Mellon University, University of Pennsylvania, and University of Minnesota (among others). Every one of the Wikipedia articles for these institutions has content that could be considered "promotional."

Notability: Wikipedia guidelines state, "Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things like fame, importance, or the popularity of a topic." Wikipedia’s standard for notability is met if the article “satisfies one of the criteria for a stand-alone article in the encyclopedia.” The standards are Significant coverage, Reliable, Sources, Independent of the subject, and Presumed. The article on Batumi International University is reliable; it can be verified by contacting the government of the Autonomous Republic of Adjara at 10, Gamsakhurdia Str., Batumi, 6010, Georgia Tel.: (+995 222) 72006 Fax: (+995 222) 77300 info@adjara.gov.ge or contact@adjara.gov.ge

More information: The original article had more information. It was removed to placate JNW.

There is no longer any justification for the threat of deletion. That comment should be removed from the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Edraupp (talk • contribs) 06:58, 15 October 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:03, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Keep. Acting on the assumption that this is not a hoax, the article should be kept since this is a university, plain and simple. If it turns out, a few months from now, that the joint didn't make it, for whatever reason, we can revisit. Oh, Eadrupp, feel free to restore some of the information you cut--content with a couple of tags is more useful than no content at all. Leave out the praise and the freedom, leave out the explanation of the logo, and leave out anything "directory" like (list of classes, people to contact)--but restore the history of the place. Drmies (talk) 03:39, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment what is it called in Georgian? ბათუმი საერთაშორისო უნივერსიტეტი? Why is there no article in the Georgian Wikipedia? Abductive  (reasoning) 05:17, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. I agree that a university established by the Autonomous Republic of Adjara would be notable. But where are the sources to establish the existence of this university? The sources might be in Georgian but they still need to be provided. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 01:52, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete Does not meet verifiability criterion.  If sources exist, they need to be provided to keep the article.  The only evidence I found that it exists were a few job postings on unreliable resources.  Narthring (talk  • contribs) 04:45, 22 October 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.