Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bavaria women's national ice hockey team


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The result was delete. Sarahj2107 (talk) 14:06, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Bavaria women's national ice hockey team

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Not an official national team. I can find no evidence of notability either like the previous proder. DJSasso (talk) 11:04, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions. North America1000 11:22, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
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 * Delete: Same reasoning as in my contested PROD before: Bavaria is not an independent country and the IIHF does not list the team as an official national team. The team has not played in any noteworthy international competition and lacks notability.. Calistemon (talk) 11:28, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete: As above, Bavaria is not a country, so can't have a national team Deathlibrarian (talk) 12:30, 24 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete but keep in mind non-countries can have "national" teams if they have their own federation - see Puerto Rico national baseball team, Tahiti national football team, etc. That's just not the case here, so delete it. Smartyllama (talk) 18:33, 25 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep - they may not be an "official" national team representing a sovereign state, but the games the Bavarian team competed in, including at the Cergy International Tournament in 2009, were legitimate and received press coverage (I rarely edit here anymore, so I don't have time to look for specific sources on the '09 tournament), but the Cergy Tournament has been played for a long time and was one of the more prominent European women's tournaments). The exhibition against France in 2010 was definitely covered too. Arguing that this article should be deleted because Bavaria lacks an official governing body or as the IIHF does not recognize the team, etc. does not make much sense. Those rationales are weak. -- Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 00:46, 26 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I could not find anything on the team on the website of the Bayerischer Eissport-Verband, the Bavarian ice sports federation who allegedly the team represents. I did a search in both German and English but have not found any significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, as outlined in Notability. Your argument that such coverage exists but you don't have time to provide it is weak since, as the creator and main contributor of the article, it is up to you to Prove it. Calistemon (talk) 01:05, 26 May 2016 (UTC)


 * I lack the motivation and enthusiasm to do much here nowadays, so eh. If the article gets deleted, then so be it. I was just stating my opinion and what I felt would be best for the project. -- Hockeyben (talk - contribs) 13:25, 26 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Keep: Once again, the anti-women bias of Wikipedia rears its ugly head.  An unknown pro team from east nowhere sails through, a championship women's team is AfD. Passes NSPORTs.  Montanabw (talk)  06:37, 28 May 2016 (UTC)
 * NSPORTS doesn't cover teams. WP:ORG does. If you can find any sources that cause it to meet GNG or ORG then by all means provide them. Also the article does not indicate they are a championship team. -DJSasso (talk) 10:53, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Such unfounded accusations of bias do nothing to assist the important work of improving our coverage of women. Yes, there is a gross imbalance between our coverage of women and men, but that doesn't mean that no articles about women can be deleted or be subject to deletion discussions. 86.17.222.157 (talk) 12:23, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Weak delete per WP:ORG - not because a women's hockey team is inherently non-notable or because Bavaria isn't a country, but simply because the citations provided at present aren't enough to establish notability for the organisation (and I can't find any better ones). ✤ Fosse   8 ✤  10:38, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   10:58, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spirit of Eagle (talk) 05:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm not seeing the significant, in-depth secondary coverage here. Neutralitytalk 20:53, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete They're not recognized by any major organization and they've mostly played a handful of exhibition games. Deadman137 (talk) 22:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)


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