Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bayonet (band) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Courcelles 03:34, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Bayonet (band)
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A punk rock band that released their first album today. It is an Extended play album released on the independent label Mightier Than Sword Records. Think this is a tad TooSoon. Note: Article was deleted in 2009, waaay before a record was released. So, that AfD has no bearing here. Bgwhite (talk) 07:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  —Bgwhite (talk) 07:31, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Weak keep I think it meets WP:BAND: 1. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself. Being covered by AbsolutePunk, Punknews.org, Rock Sound and Alternative Press ought to count for something. Puchiko (Talk-email) 09:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment. AbsolutePunk and PunkNews articles are user generated content, therefore not reliable. Rock Sound and Alternative Press are one/two paragraph references are about the release of the album and not about the band.  I was unable to find reliable references about the band. Bgwhite (talk) 18:23, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment – While AbsolutePunk and PunkNews may accept news tips from users, they're always reviewed and edited by a staff member before posting. The two sources used in this article from these two publications were solely published by a staff member and had nothing to do with their respective site's users as indicated by the lack of an attribution to a user. Fezmar9 (talk) 18:49, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment The "staff members" are volunteer users that are not paid. Anyone can submit news, but are "reviewed" by their staff members.  I love the "You have news about your band, click here to submit the news." PunkNews requires a source when you submit news, but the source can be from Facebook, MySpace or any site.  The entire forum board reference you have for AbosolutePunk, from 2009, reads, "Buddy Nielsen of Senses Fail has started a new band with members of The Banner entitled Bayonet. Check out songs at their myspace."  The album review references from Rock Sound are reliable sources as it comes from a published magazine. Bgwhite (talk) 21:11, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Comment – PunkNews has its own ISSN, Wikipedia considers it a reliable review site, and at least two of their staff members (Brian Shultz, Scott Heisel) also write for Alternative Press. I fail to see how using social networking sites as a source in the year 2011 holds any weight, especially when even the larger and more print-focused publications do the same. PopMatters and Alternative Press are considered reliable sources, and yet they too offer user-submitted news tips. I also fail to see why it matters whether or not the staff is paid or volunteer as long as the staff members are clear and can be easily distinguished from site users. From WP:USERGENERATED: "any website whose content is largely user-generated, including the Internet Movie Database, Cracked.com, CBDB.com, and so forth, with the exception of material on such sites that is labeled as originating from credentialed members of the sites' editorial staff, rather than users." Fezmar9 (talk) 22:04, 26 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep – Bayonet currently meets WP:BAND criteria #1 and #6. Fezmar9 (talk) 16:36, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 2 August 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.