Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bayview Apartment


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Merge to Westpoint Corporation. Yomangani talk 10:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Bayview Apartment
Either real estate spam or conflict of interest. No assertion of notability. Hús ö  nd  03:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete Per nomination . Merge per new evidence. L0b0t 03:50, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. There are millions of apartments in the world, and this one isn't anymore notable than the rest.-- TBC Φ  talk?  03:51, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Most likely real estate advert.   Dooms  Day34  9  04:07, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete non-notable building -- zzuuzz (talk) 04:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, non-notable building. J I P  | Talk 06:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Weak delete Not too notable, but seems to be a large building, and the artice seems quite good. Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 11:35, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletions.   -- Michael Billington (talk • contribs) 11:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment the original author makes an assertion of notability on the talk page. This is not well covered in the article and is currently unverified.  In the spirit of not biting the newcomers I've suggested he work on sourcing this assertion in the article and will withold judgement until we've had some time to try and do so.--Siobhan Hansa 13:30, 29 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Merge to an article on the developer Westpoint Corporation with a reference to the bankruptcy issues ref this cached news article  and also   : - 6,000 investors involved including 900 for a Sydney development in York Street.  http://www.westpoint.com.au/ refers to http://kordamentha.com/westpoint/info/creditor.aspx it is a large bankruptcy case with national news coverage and would thus be notable if anyone wishes to write a holistic and encyclopaedic article that is not more usefully at wikinews. At least as notable as University of Melbourne Student Union.--Golden Wattle  talk 21:15, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Stub of Westpoint Corporation started--Golden Wattle talk 22:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: This is likely to be one of Australia's biggest class actions. Accordingly, almost certainly notable not just another apartment building. However, I still think better merged.--Golden Wattle  talk 22:59, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, should we have an article on every large block of apartments now? Seraphimblade 21:44, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge - per Golden Wattle and per the comments of Siobhan Hansa. JROBBO 01:42, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per WP:DUMB. There's no evidence the collapse of the apartment building was itself significant news. The class action can be described in the article on the developer. --Shirahadasha 04:11, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment, WP:DUMB is a humourous page, not an official policy. Agree with the rest of your comment though.  Lankiveil 05:31, 30 October 2006 (UTC).


 * Comment: This is neither a real estate spam or conflict of interest. It is only a record for the historical page regarding the Wespoint collapse and the herigage buildings' history of the apartment. Of course, the apartment itself is the evident that the remaing investors survied are enjoying their life style with the facilities and environment of the apartment. The combined unique features of the apartment cannot be found in all other apartments in Port Melbourne. 30-Oct-06 220.238.76.132 06:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete. The developers might be worth an article, but one of their otherwise unremarkable -- and adding vague handwaving adspeak ("due to its location, convenient shopping and dinning environment, and enjoyment of the leisure") doesn't make it remarkable -- doesn't. --Calton | Talk 07:57, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Comments against deletion The primary purpose and goal of Wikipedia is to provide free education and knowledge exchange. The article of Bayview Apartment may sound like a real estate spam if the people read the article at the surface. Actually, the Bayview Apartment is a window opening to a broader explorer to the heritage buildings, which indicates the historical economy, culture, community in Port Melbourne. More information will be added regarding the heritage buildings if this article could be kept for future viewers. In the past decade, Port Melbourne has been dramatically and rapidly transformed from a working class slum to a very attractive and livable suburb closing to the Melbourne city. That’s why these words such as “due to its location, convenient shopping and dinning environment, and enjoyment of the leisure” were inserted into the article. Bayview Apartment contributed a remarkable and significant influence to the transformation of Port Melbourne, especially to the Bay Street, which is virtually a heritage street. The retail shops of the Bayview Apartment make the Bay Street more variable and vibrate the Port Melbourne community.  Then the article mentioned the collapsed developer Westpoint, who built the Bayview Apartment, inevitably Bayview Apartment become a historical mirror of the collapsed Wespoint. Westpoint went to under became one of the biggest news in the financial market in Australia history. Westpoint originally organized two schemes to investors through either buying the unit of the apartment or the promising notes through the financial planners and its sales network. The investors who bought the promising notes ended with the tragedy of their life saving lost. Those who bought the unit eventually are survived because today they still own the property and keep the market value and may enjoy a moderate capital gain in the current property market situation. The article paid attention to the investors survived. Does it sound like an investment scheme promotion seminar? The purpose of this article does not promote any sort of the investment but gives to a future viewer a recognition that “bricks and mortar” make more common sense than “promising notes and mezzanine companies” if a future viewer may not be a sophisticated or astute investor.  Therefore, the article itself is very educational to the future viewers, which exactly is in compliance with Wikipedia’s policies and objectives.  Obviously, the notability of the Bayview Apartment speaks itself. After 10-20 years, people may forget the lesson of collapsed Westpoint (one of the most notable financial collapsing in the Australia history). However, if people walk pass the Bayview Apartment building and read this article in the Wikipedia, free encyclopedia; Bayview Apartment has full of the historical stories in a very broad aspect. 31/10/06 220.238.76.132 13:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge Merge into Westpoint company article and redirect. The bankruptcy appears to be a very notable event making the company worthy of coverage on Wikipedia, but the apartment complex is just one of their projects. --Siobhan Hansa 13:20, 31 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment: It is no doubt that Bayview Apartment is a window to those notable events. If the window was shutted, the viewers might not be able to see the insight/outsight. People may not be so enthusiastic and interested in finding the history for the sake of the history. But if people see the heritage buildings of the apartment, that may trigger their curiosity to type the words “bayview apartment” in the search box of Wikipedia. Then all the stories will be revealed and Wikipedia reached its objective.(Note: the Bayview Apartment is a huge complex which occupied a whole block of the land by multiple buildings. Two heritage buildings are a visible attraction) 01/11/06 220.238.76.132 13:58, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. spam for non-notable apartment block.  By all means include an article about the class-action lawsuit but this does not belong here.  --Roisterer 11:33, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: The class action is involved by about 2,000 investors, which is the largest class action in this country. Notably and resourcefully, the Australia reputable lawyer firm Slater and Gordon has a specific webpage in dealing with failed Westpoint. 02/11/06 220.238.76.132 14:00, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment, Please sign your posts. See WP:SIG. L0b0t 13:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Comment, Undisclosed conflict of interest. User:220.238.76.132/User:Donaldtong created the article up for deletion. L0b0t 13:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment, Please see signed user above. (previously did not know how to useDonaldtong 14:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC) to sign. It is a learning curve for editing comments).Donaldtong 14:15, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.