Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Be a Master! Pokemon B & W


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. J04n(talk page) 14:18, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Be a Master! Pokemon B & W

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Fails WP:GNG. Searches into Google, Yahoo! and Bing yield nothing substantial, only fan-based/user-generated websites. No mentions of reviews from reliable reporters or awards etc. In, addition, this manga does not have its own page on the Japanese Wikipedia. KirtZJ (talk) 10:19, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * - Did you search the Japanese title? I also think it may be good to make an inquiry at the Japanese Wikipedia about this topic. WhisperToMe (talk) 12:10, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There is no need to make an inquiry there. If it was notable, we wouldn't have trouble finding significant coverage. Show me how this is notable. A manga does not get an article simply because it exists. If anything, it gets mentioned in a parent article. —KirtZ Message 12:42, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * There is a need to make an inquiry there. He's why: the language barrier. I understand that the burden of proof is needed to prove notability and not the other way around, but also please note that many native English speakers may find great difficulty in finding sources in Japanese. Remember that sources in any language may prove notability. Now, if the Japanese fail to find any reliable sources that would cement the case for consolidating this article into a list of Pokemon manga. if they Japanese do find sources, then that cements the case for keeping the article. Anyway, ja:Wikipedia:Help_for_Non-Japanese_Speakers is my inquiry. I also started ja:プロジェクト‐ノート:ポケモン at the Japanese Pokemon WikiProject, and ja:プロジェクト‐ノート:漫画 at the Japanese Comics WikiProject. WhisperToMe (talk) 13:46, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Google searches imply a search was done in non-English as well... —KirtZ Message 14:26, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If one doesn't have any knowledge of Japanese (or Chinese, Korean, Arabic, etc.) it may be difficult to make heads or tails of any of the results one gets. It's necessary to ask people who have knowledge of the language, as they can determine what the sources say, and whether the sources are reliable. WhisperToMe (talk) 15:05, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Came here in response to WhisperToMe's inquiry at ja:Wikipedia:Help for Non-Japanese Speakers. National Diet Library's Search engine with the option to cross-search within all the cooperating database services turned on returned the manga itself and the NDL itself's index. Neither of CiNii Books' content search nor its Article full-text search returned results. Searching within established news sites using news.google.co.jp (with language set to Japanese) did not return relevant hits. A query on books.google.co.jp returned 6 results, but out of them, four was the author's own work. One predated the date this manga was published and is likely a false positive. Another hit (Manga Science) happens to be a manga I'm personally fond of, but that is an educational manga on science and I am sure that the hit was a false positive. In conclusion, I could not find even a passing mention of the manga in any reliable sources, let alone anything that will let me believe that this manga would be notable for inclusion in Wikipedia unless someone can provide a pointer to a reference that proves otherwise. --朝彦 &#124; Asahiko (talk) 18:29, 25 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the analysis! It's disappointing but it's good that this was done. If no further sources are found by the end of this AFD, merge into Pokémon (manga) WhisperToMe (talk) 19:02, 25 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Keep-Notable enough. Wgolf (talk) 01:59, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
 * based on the above extensively researched information, you really need to provide an explanation.SephyTheThird (talk) 20:20, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
 * Delete No sources have been found to establish notability here. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 21:30, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Merge/Delete Extensive research above suggests lack of notability. SephyTheThird (talk) 21:47, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
 * What sourced reliable information is there to merge though? All I see is WP:OR here. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:24, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, &mdash; Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 11:12, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * delete only forty Ghits on this title, and a bunch of them seem to be for a completely different self-published book. It's hard for me to see having an article with a an English language title when there's no real trace of the thing under that title. Mangoe (talk) 13:20, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.