Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beatdown Music


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. Several editors seem to agree that the article is not sufficiently notable. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 16:19, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Beatdown Music

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Seems to be a non-notable/neologism music genre. No references provided and I can't find any via Google. The original author also stated in the edit history that it is difficult to reference as it "has not been written bout yet". Wickethewok (talk) 19:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 01:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep Obscure but seems notable. Hua Hsu, who is a very reputable writer, reviewed the first of the Detroit Beatdown compilation series in 2003, and said then that beatdown was "a micro-genre built on easygoing down-tempo beats", indicating that the term predates the series. In the hands of Detroit artists it becomes "affirming" and "exciting", apparently. "Beatdown is neither house nor techno, but it assimilates traits of both." (Hua Hsu, Boston Phoenix.)
 * Allmusic's account of the same release says "As for the term 'beatdown,' it was coined by Eddie 'Flashin' Fowlkes as a way of describing the downtempo dance productions that came from [Detroit]. With the line between techno and house as blurry as ever, Fowlkes' descriptive term has caught on, evidenced by the title of this compilation -- it fits both the music and the city itself." (Andy Kellman, allmusic)
 * Resident Advisor has a few passing mentions which match with a downtempo, rather deep Detroit house/techno style. It would be nice to have more in-depth accounts but they are probably out there. Note that the title needs to be changed: no capital "m" for music in wikipedia articles of this type. 86.44.25.131 (talk) 02:11, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Dan Bean, "Detroit Beatdown", Wax Poetics, Issue #16, April/May, 2006: ''"Ask music lovers what Detroit means to them and you’ll probably hear mention of Berry Gordy or Norman Whitfield, perhaps George Clinton or Yusef Lateef. Were you to point out that there’s a direct link between these styles and the pared down machine funk of the city’s latter day sound (known by some as techno), you could safely expect incredulity from all but the most dedicated fans.


 * ''Yet there is a link, forged in the high school social parties of the seventies and the clubs and radio shows of the eighties by a few key figures. These musical visionaries shepherded their dancers and listeners from disco, via hi-nrg and italo through to the earliest house records, not forgetting a healthy dose of the leftfield and unexpected.


 * ''This sound, or maybe this ‘feeling’, is known as Beatdown and owes a great deal to the eclectic, boundary defying styles of DJs such as Ken Collier and the mysterious radio presenter Electrifyin’ Mojo.


 * The modern inheritors of this style are the present day Beatdown DJs of Detroit." 86.44.25.131 (talk) 02:59, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * And a show of BBC Radio 1's Gilles Peterson Worldwide dedicated to the genre per, which seems to be an official arrangement, though I can't track down corresponding info at either bbc.co.uk or Peterson's own site. 86.44.25.131 (talk) 03:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Unbelievable that there is no article here for Theo Parrish, btw. 86.44.25.131 (talk) 04:06, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * All of the articles seem to be in direct reference to the album "Detroit Beatdown". Would it not perhaps be more appropriate to create/move this article to an article about the album?  Wickethewok (talk) 06:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * This is not in reference to the "Detriot Beatdown" compilation series. I only added that because I needed something to prove this genre exists. There is also a label based out of Detroit called Strictly Beatdown. I am a new contributing member to Wikipedia so I don't really know how to or what to reference to add validity to this article. I would appreciate any help. I agree I can't believe Theo Parrish has nothing on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by LadyBlacktronika (talk • contribs) 10:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * @ Wickethewok, the articles above concern either the compilation or its compilers (the Wax Poetics piece is about beatdown, not the compilation, but interviews its compilers), but I think I've been fairly careful to show that they all make the point that the genre exists independently of the release. It's hard to think of a search that wouldn't bring up Detroit Beatdown, just as it's hard to think of a piece about beatdown that wouldn't mention the compilation.


 * But here is a piece in De:Bug #95 . It's their regular "blind test" feature, in which they play records to a DJ or artist and have them comment without seeing the label. It's called "Musik hören mit" ("Listening to music with") and this particular month is with Detroit DJ Seth Troxler. Machine translate:


 * V / A - In the Dark (The Soul Of Detroit) (Still Music)


 * Seth: What is it? This is super. Beatdown, you know. (hesitates) Well, I know das Oh yes, this is Still Music Compilation. Some great guys from Detroit are out there. Mike Huckaby, for example, or Keith Worthy, a pretty good DJ, a lot of stuff from New York plays. Body & Soul Style. (knocks thrilled with the bass line) Yes, those are great tracks. Beatdown, man. This is the sound of the hour. I hope the compilation sells well. I do not know how many people on this beat-down style exit.


 * Debug: Beatdown?


 * Seth: Yes, that is the name that they are with us in Detroit this new deep house tracks has been given. The pieces are very slowly, from 118 to 120 bpm. Greatly reduced. The Beatdown guys play a lot of minimal techno, such as Sleeparchive or Sten and Lawrence, just pitched down. Slow. This is the new House sound in Detroit. If the track plays slow, grooving it is often much better. If it's too fast you can't make an emotional experience with the music. If it's too close to you can not make emotional experience with the music. And this just sounds so warm someone like Lawrence unfold in this different context is very different.  The Beatdown DJs mix it all with old disco records and classic deep house. Because then you see almost only blacks.  And the average age is much higher.  My parents, for example, go to Beatdown parties. 86.44.36.66 (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * And in De:Bug #98 is a feature on beatdown, with Mike Clark, Norm Talley (compilers of Detroit Beatdown) and Delano Smith. google translate version (translates "Beatdown" as "Beat Down"). 86.44.36.66 (talk) 22:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete per nominator, and the odd mention in a specialist music show on the radio or in a magazine isn't really enough to indicate that it needs an article. If it's a sub-genre, it could be mentioned in the article of the genre it belongs to, however. It's also worth noting that anonymous users cannot vote on AFD discussions. Esteffect (talk) 02:45, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty much everything you say is wrong. 86.44.16.6 (talk) 22:19, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

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 * Comment regarding Theo Parrish, there was once an article at that name deleted some time ago as being blatant advertising. Esteffect (talk) 02:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. Fails WP:RS, WP:N. Vegaswikian (talk) 02:09, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Hua Hsu, Peterson @ the BBC, allmusic, Wax Poetics, and De:Bug are all reliable sources, so I think you need to be a little more expansive and include your reasoning.


 * If a non-beatdown Detroit DJ is printed in a German magazine talking in detail about the existence of beatdown and beatdown parties, and he's backed up by a myriad of other sources and articles, why the resistance? 86.44.16.7 (talk) 05:48, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
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