Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beatnik programming language


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result of the debate was annoyed. When you say to merge to an article, will you please make sure the article exists?! This is articles for deletion, not "articles I think the closing admin should make but I don't care about nearly enough to make the article myself and then recommend a merge there afterwards". So I'm not going to make the article. Reading the debate and observing the near-total lack of support for outright retention, I'm going to delete 4DL and leave Beatnik and HQ9+ alone. In future, people should make better recommendations in the AfD edits. -Splash talk 19:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

4DL programming language, Beatnik programming language, HQ9+
Three esoteric programming languages created by Cliff L. Biffle. Could not find any evidence that they are notable. Cliff L. Biffle seems to be a player in the esoteric programming language world, but not as notable as Wouter van Oortmerssen or even David Morgan-Mar.


 * 4dl "programming language" -wikipedia -encyclopedia -directory - 177 hits
 * "Beatnik programming language" -wikipedia -encyclopedia -directory - 75 hits. (l33t programming language is based on this, but I wil nomitate it for deletion as well.)
 * "HQ9+" - Note that most hits are garbage. (David Morgan-Mar's HQ++ is based on this.)
 * This may be a browser issue, but that link brings up a searh for "HQ9 ". A manual search brings up mostly relevant results. (I'm not sure how to form the link right either.) Quamaretto 21:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I'd say either delete all or merge all into Cliff L. Biffle. —Ruud 21:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Delete unless evidence of notability is provided. —Ruud 21:06, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete 4DL, which seems to be nothing but a Befunge variant; keep the other two. HQ9+ is known to many esoteric programming fans, as a joke language poking fun at the banality of the programs produced in most esoteric languages. I've also heard of Beatnik before, in the context of a practice puzzle for the MIT Mystery Hunt. beatnik "esoteric programming" -wikipedia -encyclopedia -directory gives 346 hits. In a small field like esoteric programming languages, that's huge.  r speer  / ɹəəds ɹ  21:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Note that languages like Intercal, Brainfuck and Befudge get 100 000 to 200 000 hits on Google. —Ruud 21:44, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep beatnik and hq9+, merge 4dl, per rspeer --Snargle 21:54, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete -- Chris 73 | Talk 00:15, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete 4DL and HQ9+. 4DL doesn't seem notable and is just a stub, HQ9+ is full of external (probably vanity) links.  No opinion about Beatnik, as that seems to be at least decently-written article (though its notability is dubious).  --bmills 03:17, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep HQ9+, or merge and redirect to Cliff L. Biffle - I'm surprised about the number of Google results; AFAIK it is a popular piece of programmer humor, but I could be wrong. Delete or merge the other two. Quamaretto 20:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep or redirect these, but do not delete. Notable enough to warrant an article each. + +Lar: t/c 05:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.