Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beatrice Beckett


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 00:26, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Beatrice Beckett

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Notability is not inherited, and it is not married into. I feel that the best place for this would be a subheading in Eden's entry, perhaps as "personal life" (as this is basically a regurgitation of what is already there), but this is largely a stub on the spouse of a politician who divorced him before he became PM, and who isn't notable for anything else in particular other than possibly parentage. Tyrenon (talk) 19:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * She was the wife of the British Foreign Secretary (Aussenminister, Secretary of State or whatever) during what many British like describe as their finest hour.  In fact, the period 1939 - 1945, which for (us) Brits is the period covered by the Second World War, is the only bit of history they teach in many schools here as far as I can make out.   The semantics of wiki-notability go on for ever and can be argued all round the houses if you've nothing better to do, and often are.  But in terms of making wikipedia a useful source, if someone has come up with a question along the lines "I wonder who she was?" (which I just did) then there's a prima facie case for an entry that answers the question.  By kicking off the entry from a respected source, I hope to encourage others better imformed than I am, in due course to add to my knowledge.   Nominating an entry for deletion within twenty minutes of its commencement does not reasonably test the issue of whether anyone else knows.   Or (possibly more importantly) cares.   Of course, if I'm the only wiki-user to wonder about the wives on non-American  politicians, then maybe he thing deserves to be deleted!   Regards  Charles01 (talk) 19:54, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * My response is that I've never wondered who Henry Stimson's wife was (or Cordell Hull's, or James F. Byrnes), and I'm an American. Spouses of PMs are something of a different story (owing to the nature of the PM's post), but she was his spouse some years before he became PM.  Hillary Clinton's spouse wouldn't be notable except for having been President of the US and Governor of Arkansas (not to mention his spectacular escapades), and she's in the equivalent position here.  However, I do think that "Wife of the Foreign Secretary(or Minister, depending on the country)" falls a bit short.  The content has a place, but that place is in the article of the primary figure unless the spouse is notable on their own. Tyrenon (talk) 20:42, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep spouse of a PM of a major state at any time is enough, since she will be covered in a substantial way any major biography of him. DGG (talk) 03:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Neither Tyrenon nor Charles01 are addressing the Notability of the subject, which is governed by the existence, depths, and provenances of sources, and are erroneously presenting their own subjective opinions of significance, which is not notability. Neither Tyrenon nor Charles01 have even mentioned sources.  DGG is the only editor who has done so here.  And what xe surmises turns out to be almost the case.  This person is covered in biographies of Eden, but it is fairly incidental coverage, that really says very little about her.  She garners a whole six sentences, on page 4, of Victor Rothwell's 298 page biography of Eden, for example.  ISBN 9780192804761 page 47 devotes one sentence to her, telling us that she was one of several people photographed for a photographic exhibition, and goes on to talk about the exhibition and the photographer.  She is documented, again with one sentence, in the "Anthony Eden" entry in ISBN 9781576070437, on page 113. The sources are simply not in depth coverage.  This person is only documented by the world at large in the context of Eden, and we in fact have her documented in Wikipedia in exactly the same way, at Anthony Eden.  This is a sub-topic that is only documented by the world at large in the context of an overall topic.  Per Redirect and User:Uncle G/On notability, redirect to that overall topic. Uncle G (talk) 23:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep Nominator seems to be proposing a merger. Deletion is not required for this - please see WP:BEFORE. Colonel Warden (talk) 23:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.