Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beatrice Kozera


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The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 06:43, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Beatrice Kozera

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i'm not seeing what made this person notable other then being inspiration for a character. it doesnt look like their is enough information or sources for this article to stand alone if anything it should be re-directed Redsky89 (talk) 16:52, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 21:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep, because she's not just the "inspiration for a character". Her relationship with the author was the subject of an iconic work of fiction and another more recent book is based on her life. The Daily Mail described her as the "woman whose fleeting relationship with novelist Jack Kerouac was chronicled in On the Road - the book that defined a generation". The author of the second book, "told her that there were over 20 Kerouac biographies that had included her name". The LA Times, The Independent, the Daily Mail and The Australian (and others) thought she was notable enough to carry detailed obituaries. In 2012 they made a film adaptation of the book in which she (the lead role carried on the movie's posters) was played by Alice Braga. I'm struggling to see how someone could be the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources, be the muse for one book and the subject of another (almost a biography from most accounts) and the focus of a film and not be notable. The 2013 book (based on multiple in-depth interviews with the subject along with additional detailed research) would probably be enough. Stalwart 111  23:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * comment perhaps nominator needs to reread GNG. sources are there. "i never heard of it" ≠ "not notable". Duckduckgo (talk) 17:58, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Topic has been the subject of multiple reliable sources including On the Road (book),  Manana Means Heaven (film), Daily Mail (obit), LA Times (obit), Associated Press (obit), others mentioned by Gene93k including academic book mentions due to On the Road. -- Green Cardamom (talk) 19:51, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Comment - I've now cleaned up the article a bit to make the references clearer and will work on adding more references (though many are mentioned in the article itself, even without footnoting). Stalwart 111  04:33, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep Coverage in several WP:RS. A second book, based on research, and a movie, suggests that this person is getting coverage from other people besides Kerouac, and in a broad geographical area. Although it's quite possible that major US literary authors had more romances with Mexican farmworker gals back in the day than we realize, most of them didn't write about it, possibly due to (WP:BIAS). Hence this article contributes to the gender and ethnic diversity of our encyclopedia. Djembayz (talk) 23:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep - though there was only the LA Times obit in the article when nominated for AfD, a very cursory internet search will see her death was widely and extensively reported in all of the major newspapers on both sides of the 'Pond'. Non-notable people simply don't have that impact! Sionk (talk) 01:38, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
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