Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beatrice Olivier


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The result was delete. Academic Challenger (talk) 21:15, 4 December 2018 (UTC)

Beatrice Olivier

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Non-notable. Page was created on 12 October 2008‎ (five months after her death) by Olivestonem - this is clearly an obituary page created by a close relative who has no other edits on Wikipedia. It was tagged as an obituray for some time, but that tag was removed by an anonymous IP editor, who also removed an unreferenced tag despite the fact that the page has never had a single reference.

The article makes a number of claims to notability ("a noted entertainer", " Several newspaper accounts regarding her accomplishments have been published internationally", "Her ranking in Los Angeles fundraising community is well known") but my best endeavours searching have found nothing to back this up.

The article claims she was in the film version of My Fair Lady, but this doesn't pan out. According to IMDb, there was a Beatrice Grenough in My Fair Lady (see IMDb My Fair Lady (1964) Full Cast & Crew) but the part was uncredited. Grenough only has one other credit in IMDb, also uncredited (see Beatrice Grenough @ IMDB). If this is the same person (stage name, perhaps), it doesn't make for notability. At best, we have two bit parts played by uncredited actors and, in the stage version, also a bit part. An appearance on a TV talent show does not confer notability.

The Encyclopedia of Motion Picture Sound has no mention of Beatrice Olivier (though Beatrice Grenough is there). Emeraude (talk) 16:53, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:51, 22 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 17:52, 22 November 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete I can find quite a few mentions of her in newspapers, but only local coverage of small-scale events: reports of her music school's concerts when she was 10, a report of a wedding where she sang songs, a meeting of a women's organisation where she provided the musical entertainment (and was claimed to be a "British television and radio performer"), and in a performance of My Fair Lady by the Westside Civic Light Opera at the Santa Monica Civic Auditorium - and similar. There are ads for Mickey Katz's variety revues which she performed in, as the article states. Another notice of a forthcoming meeting says that she was a "movie and operatic star, known and acclaimed for her performances on European and American stages", but if the European stages were like the American ones, the only coverage is likely to be local there, too. There seems to be no evidence about whether she is the Beatrice who was in the film of My Fair Lady, but even if she was, as the Nom says, she doesn't meet WP:MUSICBIO. RebeccaGreen (talk) 08:23, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 12:43, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete Unreferenced bio of someone claimed to be a notable entertainer, for whom I can find no significant mentions at all in WP:RELIABLE sources. Neiltonks (talk) 13:43, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete news archives have some coverage validating the claim that she was a professional entertainer with a modest career in theater and performing at fundraisers (Soprano to Entertain Sisterhood Los Angeles Times (1923-1995); Los Angeles, Calif. [Los Angeles, Calif]05 Aug 1973: ws8.) in teh Los Angeles area. but I can't find enough to justify a page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:10, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete I couldn't find any WP:RS and she fails WP:MUSICBIO. PlotHelpful (talk) 10:16, 1 December 2018 (UTC)


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