Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beauty Turner


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The result was   keep.  MBisanz  talk 03:15, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Beauty Turner

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Flunks WP:BIO. Prod removed because her death was in the Huffington Post, but the Huffington Post has lots of non-notable people in it, and besides, WP:NOTNEWS. Her claim to fame is that she edited the non-notable Resident Journal for the non-notable We the People Media and she ran the non-notable Beauty's Ghetto Bus Tours. There's nothing to write an encyclopedic article about, and there's a good reason this article is doomed to remain an orphan. THF (talk) 21:13, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - the article references a Chicago Tribune obituary which would indicate notability. A major daily doesn't put this type of article out for nobodies.  A Sun Times columnist also wrote about her, as well as this ABC Chicago piece. -- Whpq (talk) 21:36, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep as per Whpq. Power.corrupts (talk) 19:29, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. I removed the prod. THF does not report my reasons accurately. Like Whpq, I pointed out obituaries in major newspapers as well as Huffington Post report. Supposedly "Non-notable" "claims to fame" were covered by NPR during her lifetime. Very bad prod, very bad nomination. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 23:41, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment. Again, WP:NOTNEWS.  That something was on NPR simply means it was verifiable from a reliable source.  WP:V and WP:RS are not the same as WP:N, otherwise we'd have one criterion, rather than three. THF (talk) 23:46, 20 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. The sole basis for notability here is a single obituary in the local paper.  If there is any basis for notability, it's not reflected in the article itself. TJRC (talk) 00:09, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Reply - how can you say the single obit is the sole basis when there is the ABC Chicago piece I referred to earlier from Nov 2007 which precedes her death by a year? -- Whpq (talk) 03:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * not in the article, there isn't. TJRC (talk) 05:29, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * She is notable as a community activist, and that notability is established through the sources that have been found since the AFD started. -- Whpq (talk) 11:27, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've reviewed the two cited references, and stand by my characterization. They're both human-interest stories from local news media.  Her death was newsworthy, although only on a local level; she is not notable as that term is used by Wikipedia.  This is clear WP:NOTNEWS territory. TJRC (talk) 21:35, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * NOTNEWS is to ensure that we have articles that are not a regurgitation of current events. The coverage in this instance is not just because she died, but because of her work while alive, and I disagree with this being clear NOTNEWS territory. -- Whpq (talk) 21:46, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep per Whpq, also for an obit in NBC Chicago and an interview about her work on NPR. Google News is filled with length mentions of this woman, clearly a keeper. Icewedge (talk) 02:21, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


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